My utter disgust for Alain Vigneault

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Chimpradamus

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Yes, I know it is the past, but this incompetent, arrogant snake of a person managed to force the entire NYR franchise in a rebuild when it didn't need to, I think the discussion is still pretty relevant, especially since that angst need to be cleared for the record.

His kindergarten, idiotic man-to-man/ zone cover defense that left goals open on the weak side like taking candy from children, what more do you need? Oh, there's more apart from that leaking wreckage. Much more.

Once you got into the playoffs and teams could really read your game, not only did they realize the plan for scoring against you was: 1) Dump the puck 2) Win a puck battle 3) Pass the puck to the open man by the net AND 2) Stop the stretch pass through the neutral zone. Done. Vigneault's team loses.

So not only was he a highly flawed coach in terms of strategy. No, I'm being too kind, he was a JOKE of a coach for coaching in the highest hockey "sports league". He favoured his pair of useless veterans to the end of it and neglected development of younger players. He was terrible at it. And once he got the defenseman who knew how to move the puck, he benched them and made them watch forwards play the point on the PP.

He was f***ing sadistic in the glory of his own image of being a "genjus". He was great at getting the least out of his players as possible. And when the castle failed he not only called out future HHOF goalie Lundqvist in the media for being the reason the team failed. He was fired weeks after that in astonishment btw if you can't remember. He also called out many others, personally, despite from making it sure he was the ginjus.

He was a smug face shit head. But here comes the WORST part: He tricked the NYR management they needed a rebuild when they didn't. NYR gave away McD, Miller, Hayes, Pionk, Skjei, Zuccarello, etc, for basically nothing in return. It was a robbery. I'm not advocating trading. But you don't give solid players away for nothing. NYR did.

IF NYR would've told Vigneault: "No, you're an incompetent idiot, bye", sure, the team wouldn't have Kakko and those insignificant picks. But they possibly could've kept ALOT of elite players still on the team. If not for the rebuild, NYR could've potentially been a power house.

As for the long run? If you always aim for the long run, you're never in the window. All in all, I just want to say I really think Alain "smug face" Vigneault is one of the worst dinsosaur coaches in the NHL and he altered the entire future of the team. Now the cup window is just in weird angles that doesn't work.
 
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utterly ridiculous post. were in a far better spot now than we were 3 years ago. just a truly ridiculous post. gave away those elite players for nothing? hayes, pionk, skjei, zucc, miller arent elite. only mcdonagh was. we got multiple 1st and 2nds, and trouba for those players. we'd be in a shitty spot if we didnt move those players and rebuild.
 

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Want to get this in before this thread is locked.
AV remarked how he lost the cup in Vancouver because he didn’t roll four lines and then when we played L.A. for the championship he decided not to roll all four lines. it was frustrating to say the least.
 
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The rebuild helped. We have a better roster. AV is a smug dude but we made the SCF with him coaching. He absolutely bombed in the finals, but it isnt the first time it's happened. We knew what we were getting. Good riddance and good future. It's 3 years.
 

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Rangers are in a better spot now then when they announced the rebuild. Only guys Id really say we made a mistake moving were McD and Miller and honestly for the former Im not sure I want that contract while for the latter we have 3 leftwings on the roster id much rather have then him now. Skjei stinks and Zuc Im staying far tf away from that contract. Stionk stunk here as well. In conclusion no need to harp on the past of a guy who got us to an ecf and cup final, lets focus on the new dumbdumb in charge
 
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Regardless of what anyone thinks of AV as a coach I doubt seriously that anyone here knows AV well enough in a personal sense that they can speak about his character which is why I find personal attacks like he’s a ‘snake’ distasteful. The thread starter has created this boogeyman in his mind and however much it conforms to reality would like to pass it off to some of us. What I would say to him is don’t bother.

FWIW AV was as caught off guard by the letter the Rangers put out as much as most of the fan base was. He’s not the one who decided to do the rebuild. He would have been perfectly happy to keep on going with what we had and try to squeak into the playoffs. That letter not only sealed the fate of AV as Rangers coach but also Rick Nash as a Ranger and in the years to follow Hayes, Zuccarello and Lundkvist when their contracts came due. If this is what’s still bothering the thread starter I would suggest he’s pointing the finger at the wrong person. These decisions were made by the Rangers brass starting with Jeff Gorton who obviously got the go ahead from Jimmy Dolan.
 

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You drunk again, Chimp?
Yes.
How much adderall did it take to make this post?
Six beers.

And yes, I know I'm simplifying things with how cap space works and all that. But how this moron is now the coach of the Flyers is a mystery.
Probably one of the worst posts I’ve ever read in my 10 years on this forum.
Then you don't read much. Or I guess you're never out in the wild where landfill posts are a common thing. At least I hold reasons firm and form an argument. If this is the worst in 10 years, your standards are leaning towards... Vigneault, is that you?
 
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Chimpradamus

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Well I think this is the first post I’ve seen where someone regrets the rebuild
Practically, it turned out great. Out of pure chance, NYR was a lucky as the Edmonton Oilers with draft numbers and all that. You wouldn't have been as happy if the casino run in Vegas would've been a bust instead of a wheelbarrow with money.

Vigneault enforced the coin toss. That you think winning the coin toss makes it all fine disturbs me. All cannot be forgiven, not with this guy. Anyway, you don't have to take my posts that seriously.

I just wanted to inform you that Vigneault is a bum and if any of you even think of thanking him, I'm hiring a plane ticket to come over and suffocate your entire apartment with a gigantic curtain.
 
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That core had their shot and they came up short because they couldn't figure out how to hold a goddamn lead against the f***ing Kings (deep breath ... deep breath ... not going to be bitter about it). I don't understand the thought that we would be better of had we held on to that core that was clearly on its last legs. We are in a much better position now for having blown up that roster and started over.
 

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I expected this post to be from Flyers fan ...

I disagree with his premise re NYR rebuild. It was time.
They overpaid for older guys like St Louis and EStaal, and neglected their player pipeline.
The the core had numerous 'kicks at the can'
NYR now seem to be poised, to take next step to true contention, within 2 years,
as their handful of talented young guys establish their NHL careers, and complement their top-end veterans

I do hold AV as contributing to the missed opportunities -
2014, lost 3 SCF OT games, all of which NYR had lead at some point.
Shut out at home in '15 Conf finals both in game 5 and game 7
A better coach should be able to use his guys to better effect, especially in big games and that deep into playoffs
No disrespect to Kings or Lightning intended. They were the ones who did do what they had to do.

But AV also was remarkably annoying to be a fan of his team -
His public statements always come off smug and superior, and he never accepted any responsibility
 
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I expected this post to be from Flyers fan ...

I disagree with his premise re NYR rebuild. It was time.
They overpaid for older guys like St Louis and EStaal, and neglected their player pipeline.
The the core had numerous 'kicks at the can'
NYR now seem to be poised, to take next step to true contention, within 2 years,
as their handful of talented young guys establish their NHL careers, and complement their top-end veterans

I do hold AV as contributing to the missed opportunities -
2014, lost 3 SCF OT games, all of which NYR had lead at some point.
Shut out at home in '15 Conf finals both in game 5 and game 7
A better coach should be able to use his guys to better effect, especially in big games and that deep into playoffs
No disrespect to Kings or Lightning intended. They were the ones who did do what they had to do.

But AV also was remarkably annoying to be a fan of his team -
His public statements always come off smug and superior, and he never accepted any responsibility

Same, if anything AV’s coaching highlighted the fact that the Rangers as constructed were not good enough and could no longer be propped by Hank’s goaltending.
 

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I hated AV for his love of players without any actual talent like Tanner Glass. Glass must have reminded of AV of himself as a player without skill. what did AV do as a player in the NHL??
 
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