Confirmed with Link: Murray accepts qualifying offer

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  1. thebus88

    thebus88 19/20 Columbus Blue Jackets: "It Is What It Is"

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    You guys keep claiming that I essentially "don't know what I'm talking about". You also keep claiming that I am saying the "models" DONT account for something YOU say they DO account for. This is a HUGE part of your assertion that I don't know what I'm talking about.

    What are the variables that the "models" DO account for that I say they do not?

    And I guess to follow it up (if you do answer) do you believe the variables are accounted for in a realistic manner?

    I'll wait.
     
  2. thebus88

    thebus88 19/20 Columbus Blue Jackets: "It Is What It Is"

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    Just start talking about buying out Dubinsky and how Larsen and Torts are holding back the PP, like EVERY OTHER THREAD, and we'll call it even.
     
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    Glory be the day when you get out of your own way and listen to what people are saying. Your owner's manual analogy is arrogant, especially because it was written as an aside about bus, and meant for "the rest of us". If you want to pay lip service to never calling analytics immune to critique then give allowance to the other side who say there is some usefulness to analytics but they aren't useful for analyzing the game in other ways.

    Don't tell me to read your posts like there's a wisdom there that I'm unable to grasp. It's insufferable.
     
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    That's literally what he's been saying all along...
     
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    Yeah I just skimmed this. Saw the same stuff that's basically just putting words in someone else's mouth so you can say again that you disagree with those words that weren't said. I'm out on this one, good luck to y'all.
     
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    Later
     
  7. thebus88

    thebus88 19/20 Columbus Blue Jackets: "It Is What It Is"

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    Best thread of the summer?

    Is Murray the best defenseman behind jones on the CBJ?

    What numbers are people thinking on a contract extension?
     
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    I try to get him at $5.5 or $6 million for 6 years. I take the risk that he doesn't go Rick DiPietro with injuries.

    He will try for $7 or $8 million arguing that's what a top pairing guy is worth and he is that.

    You meet somewhere in the middle.
     
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    Murray is playing like a legit solid #2D. But it's only been two months. I do think he's fully capable of continuing this level - that's not my issue - but he doesn't have the bargaining ability to command $6m yet, and he won't in the summer either. Summer 2020 I think he could command that if he's got two years of top pair play on his resume. I think if he wants a 6 year deal this summer he'll have to settle for $4-5m per. That or take a bridge and bet on yourself that you can do it again - which is awfully risky.
     
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    I disagree. If he continues to play like this through the rest of the season and playoffs - which is a big assumption - he will have earned top pairing money by playing that way in his contract year which carries extra weight if he remains healthy.

    Regardless, if the CBJ take the approach you suggest it will go to arbitration. No way Murray signs for anything less than 6x6.
     
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    They want to keep Murray longer term, but I don't think CBJ would prefer to sign longer term in 2019 at $6m per. It's needless. Just sign him for his last RFA year, and then go long term in January 2020. The downside risk that the player commands an even greater salary after another year is not too scary with Murray, unless you think he will get even better from here. #2D don't command $7m per, so if you want to lock him up at $6m long term, there's no hurry.
     
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    The Jackets need to buy up as many UFA years as they can while he is an RFA.
     
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    6 years, 5M AAV on his next contract. Just over 6% of the cap (which is close to what Savard signed to when he was 25), slightly less than Jones (who's admittedly on a sweetheart deal), and probably less than what Werenski will sign for on a longterm deal. Plus, Murr seems to love Columbus and probably wants to stay.
     
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    This is so funny. Just over a year ago, Murray was written off in that town. He was gone to Colorado as the centerpiece for Matt Duchene. He even showed up at camp stating he was surprised to be showing up at camp. He thought he was gone.

    He might love Columbus, but Columbus hasn't always loved him.
     
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    If he continues his play of late over the course of the season he will add to the Jackets cap woes. Especially if Bread decides to stick around for 10.5mm per. I originally had him guesstimated at 4.5 but that might be low. He's got arbitration rights so that minimizes Jackets RFA leverage. I'd guess 6 years at 5-5.5 million. I figured Zach would be locked up for 8 years at 6.5-7 but if he continues to be a defensive "problem" then maybe he gets bridged for a lesser amount.
     
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    Goodbye Bread What's In My Head?

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    Even with him playing great and being healthy, there's just no way he signs for more than 5.5. No ****ing way. He's a 4.75 defenseman. And I've been a huge fan of his before we even drafted him. He's just not worth top pairing money yet. If he plays like this for 2 more seasons then yeah maybe he starts the conversation for 6+
     
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    Which is why any thoughts of a sweetheart deal is overly optimistic. Murray is going to want the bank, or as much as he can get, and term.
     
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    I forgot this over the weekend, but the Seattle expansion draft is probably in June 2020. If the Jackets opt to protect 7F & 3D, then we either lose Murray or Nutivaara. Seattle will almost certainly take either guy if he's exposed. Nuti is signed long term at $2.5m per, and Murray will be making much more than that. It seems to me Murray would be exposed. And if that becomes clearer as we get a little closer to the expansion draft, it makes it less likely for the Jackets to be overly eager to sign him long term this summer - the savings on his long term cap hit we'd get by signing him early would accrue to Seattle. Now if Murray really wants to sign long term this summer, and is willing to do something around, say $4.5m per, then it opens the door that Nuti would be exposed. Nuti will be getting a big raise in 2022, and it could flip to Murray being the cost-controlled option.

    A lot of ifs! Expansion could be delayed to 2021, and it's reasonable that the Jackets might opt to protect 4F & 4D, in which case we'll be talking about how to protect Josh Anderson (sound familiar?).
     
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    Have you guys looked at his numbers after 1/3 of the season?

    Just curious.

    Other than the top line, he's right there essentially even in POINTS with all other players on the team, offense or defense.

    And, he's also a team leading +15. And since I love to harp on usage, here we go. He was the main guy tasked with filling the void when Jones was out, and he and Jones have looked better together than anybody on the team, since Seth has been back. Murray's easiest ice time has been playing heavy minutes with Jones. I fully expect for Torts to go back to it soon.

    There's no way he takes less than 5 million on this next contract unless its for 2 years for some reason. Try to get him signed for 5.3-5.7 for 6-7 years. While yes, Werenski has quite a bit better wrist shot and with our lack of "trigger men" you want him on the power play, I think its CLEAR, that Murray is a better overall defenseman. He can handle 5 on 5 and PK minutes that Werenski literally cant handle.

    And lets not forget how young Murray still is. While he may have "lost" some developmental time, lets not act like he cant and hasn't progressed as a NHL hockey player in the last couple years.

    The lack of disrespectful as ****, "glass man" Murray comments is awesome, I will say.
     
  20. Double-Shift Lasse

    Double-Shift Lasse Just post better

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    And since this is balanced with a lack of astigmatic "Dubinsky is our best center" comments, I'd say it's even awesomer.

    And since I never made any posts of either kind, I can claim victory over all of you crummies.
     
  21. Viqsi

    Viqsi where we're going we don't need draft picks

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    Murray is four years older than Werenski. I should certainly hope he'd be a better overall guy at this stage; he's had more time to get better.

    Still premature to give up on Werenski. Just be glad Murray is being a badass without tearing down other players.
     
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    they are also very different kind of player anyway not a good comparison
     
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    Im just happy people are finally seeing how strong Murray is. Maybe in 3yrs the rest of the fans in the league with start to come around on him. He has always been our 2nd best defender which is why he and jones closed out games. Look at Seths first year here to see how that pairing worked then with team NA. Once they put him on his offside with rookie nuti his play went to ****. I will not argue he is a top pair defender without help but give him a stable defender and he is up there.
     
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    Oh, its about age now?

    Why is it considered "tearing down" Werenski, by saying Murray is better?

    Murray has been BASHED for nearly his entire career in Columbus, by MANY people on here. Much of it based all upon injuries, some quite serious. But, I am the terrible person because I've said that Werenski needs to focus more on defense?

    Ok.
     
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