He was let go because he was close with Hunter.Well Sosh is gone, Oz we don’t know what he is at the NHL level and people complain tons about Zaitsev, so led us astray?
He was let go because he was close with Hunter.Well Sosh is gone, Oz we don’t know what he is at the NHL level and people complain tons about Zaitsev, so led us astray?
You do realize only something like 20% of second rounders become legitimate NHLers right? If he got 2 in 5 second round picks, that's pretty good. Also, no picks outside of Matthews were easy. There were always other contenders for those picks, and he looks to have chosen the right guy. Marner vs Hanifin was heavily debated. Hell, most of Bob's scouts had Hanifin ahead of Marner, Central Scouting had Crouse and Hanifin ahead of him. Again, with Liljegren, there were higher rated guys left by both CSB and Bob's list.It does?
2015: Marner, Dermott .. unknowns
2016: Matthew, Grundstrom .. unknowns
2017: Liljegren .. unknowns
Marner, Matthews & Liljegren were easy picks.
In 2015, Dubas had more say in our draft than he did in either 2016 and 2017, and as also being an OHL guy I'm not prepared to give Hunter all the credit for Dermott.
Beyond that Grundstrom looks like a player... and honestly who knows what others eventually make it.
What are your thoughts on Clark?Expected. Expect more names to be gone once they officially bring in Wes Clark, which has to be on the verge of being official at this point.
Expect more names gone (Hofford), and a potentially a very surprising hire.
You do realize only something like 20% of second rounders become legitimate NHLers right? If he got 2 in 5 second round picks, that's pretty good. Also, no picks outside of Matthews were easy. There were always other contenders for those picks, and he looks to have chosen the right guy. Marner vs Hanifin was heavily debated. Hell, most of Bob's scouts had Hanifin ahead of Marner, Central Scouting had Crouse and Hanifin ahead of him. Again, with Liljegren, there were higher rated guys left by both CSB and Bob's list.
He's not ready for a senior role if he gets one. And, he'll only get one because he's friends with Dubas. Its completely an old boys network type hire, except these guys are the new school. I'm pretty skeptical of it, but if you trust Dubas, you should trust his hires.What are your thoughts on Clark?
Why is Dermott less clear if he was a Hunter pick? Dubas had control over trades (which frustrated the scouting staff), but that was a Hunter/Hofford/Paliafito pick.Marner vs Hanifin could still be heavily debated. Really it seems it was always between them and Provorov and it looks like to this point there were no bad choices to make. Hence why it was easy imo.
As for Liljegren. He was one of the highest rated players coming into his draft year and had his season completely sidetracked by mono. When he slipped to us, being a RHD especially, the package was too tantalizing to pass up.
Grundstrom at early glance looks like a good pick in the 2nd (yes I'm aware of success rates), we'll see how he keeps developing, but he gets props for that one. Dermott is far less clear how much of that pick was Hunter, so he gets half credit for that one.
Als0 it's not like Hunter makes picks in a silo. It's debatable how much he actually personally watched a player like Grundstrom vs trusting the scouts in place.
I'm not saying he was bad. I'm not saying he was good. I'm saying jury is out on whether his drafting in Toronto vs Dubas makes a lick of difference.
He was let go because he was close with Hunter.
Marner vs Hanifin could still be heavily debated. Really it seems it was always between them and Provorov and it looks like to this point there were no bad choices to make. Hence why it was easy imo.
As for Liljegren. He was one of the highest rated players coming into his draft year and had his season completely sidetracked by mono. When he slipped to us, being a RHD especially, the package was too tantalizing to pass up.
Grundstrom at early glance looks like a good pick in the 2nd (yes I'm aware of success rates), we'll see how he keeps developing, but he gets props for that one. Dermott is far less clear how much of that pick was Hunter, so he gets half credit for that one.
Als0 it's not like Hunter makes picks in a silo. It's debatable how much he actually personally watched a player like Grundstrom vs trusting the scouts in place.
I'm not saying he was bad. I'm not saying he was good. I'm saying jury is out on whether his drafting in Toronto vs Dubas makes a lick of difference.
Its a clearout of Hunters guys. Expect more names to follow, and Dubas will replace them with his buddies. Some of the names I've heard floated will get an interesting response around here.And likely held pretty different views from Dubas. Likely more to a firing than simply “he was friends with a guy”
With an emphasis as to how nonsensical it was to consider selecting Hanifin over Marner perhaps.
Expected. Expect more names to be gone once they officially bring in Wes Clark, which has to be on the verge of being official at this point.
Expect more names gone (Hofford), and a potentially a very surprising hire.
Its a clearout of Hunters guys. Expect more names to follow, and Dubas will replace them with his buddies. Some of the names I've heard floated will get an interesting response around here.
More fuel to the idea that Zaitsev may be on his way out of town
Why is Dermott less clear if he was a Hunter pick? Dubas had control over trades (which frustrated the scouting staff), but that was a Hunter/Hofford/Paliafito pick.
Hofford was kept in check by basically having Hunter with him monitoring the same region. That won't happen with Clark, who will be given free reign over Ontario at a minimum.I'm pretty meh on Hofford, if Dubas wants to shoot him into the sun have at it I say, the only guy I don't like losing is the one grabbing the UFA'S out of Russia, he's been pretty solid whoever that is
I can't say I'm thrilled with Clark either but if he's not an area manager or head scout it's not as bad as it could be I guess?
Hunter had full say over picks in 2015, just not the trading down aspect of it which was a contentious issue.Dubas had clear input in the 2015 draft which he did not have in 2016 and 2017 and also a knowledge of the OHL. I'm not just taking it for granted that Hunter was the guy who wanted Dermott most. May have been, but there is no way to quantify that.
More fuel to the idea that Zaitsev may be on his way out of town
Hunter had full say over picks in 2015, just not the trading down aspect of it which was a contentious issue.
bad contract for bad contract
Great, it wasn't reported Hunter would quit in November if Dubas was hired. Guess what happened.I've never seen that once reported.
Great, it wasn't reported Hunter would quit in November if Dubas was hired. Guess what happened.
Great, it wasn't reported Hunter would quit in November if Dubas was hired. Guess what happened.
Dubas had control over trades, and therefore could force a trade down (which he did). But, Hunter had final say on all picks. To try to say he only gets half credit on Dermott is ridiculous. He ran our scouting meetings and our board. It is trying to devalue what Hunter did at the time.Ive seen it reported from different writers that Dubas had input on the the ‘15 draft, but that influence was essentially cut off for the ‘16-17 drafts. So it doesn’t sound as if Hunter was completely full decisions without any oversight/influence