Proposal: [MTL] Max Domi vs [MIN] Mat Dumba

[A Loyal Dog]

Yeah the pick would have to have top 3 protection. I just see Dumba > Domi (slightly) so I think value-wise Montreal’s 1st would make the deal OK for me assuming they picked ~10th. It’s a good draft, but we’d literally be Detroit bad if we made that trade, so...

Yeah, the problem is trading both defensemen will gut your team big time. I think Domi for Dumba is a good trade.

 

[Michoulicious]

I agree that Brodin is worth a mid-1st pick. But the thing is this draft is pretty strong and MTL is getting a top-10 pick (maybe even top-3). I wouldn't trust MTL's future at all either (1st 2021, etc).

The obvious solution is a top 10 protected first in 2020 + Domi for both.

While it is probable the first is indeed top 10, I think a line-up with a backend like:

Dumba-Brodin
Petry-Romanov
Weber-Chiarot

is quite unlikely to miss the playoffs. Could be wrong, though. Weber-Chiarot would be a heck of a 3rd pairing. Mete/Kulak would certainly be expendable.

Still think the most realistic trade is Domi for Dumba, straight up. Brodin is a less attractive target, but would be doable with an extension attached after July 1st.

Will Toronto be able to pry Dumba before the deadline to help'em in their push this year? That is the great question. They don't have a top 6 C to spare, however.

 

[A Loyal Dog]

I don't care what the ''consenus'' in the Wild fanbase is. I want him out.

That bad??

 

[A Loyal Dog]

The obvious solution is a top 10 protected first in 2020 + Domi for both.

While it is probable the first is indeed top 10, I think a line-up with a backend like:

Dumba-Brodin
Petry-Romanov
Weber-Chiarot

is quite unlikely to miss the playoffs. Could be wrong, though. Weber-Chiarot would be a heck of a 3rd pairing.

Still think the most realistic trade is Domi for Dumba, straight up. Brodin is a less attractive target, but would be doable with an extension attached after July 1st.

Will Toronto be able to pry Dumba before the deadline to help'em in their push this year? That is the great question. They don't have a top 6 C to spare, however.

I'd rather go for Cam Fowler or Hampus Lindholm (if available) for our 1st pick. Fowler top-10 protected, Lindholm top-2 protected (+ a good prospect or decent middle-6 player).

 

[Michoulicious]

I'd rather go for Cam Fowler or Hampus Lindholm (if available) for our 1st pick. Fowler top-10 protected, Lindholm top-2 protected (+ a good prospect or decent middle-6 player).

I don't see Murray trading Lindholm ever. It's no secret Bergevin always liked Fowler, but he has a NTC. Fowler should cost a LOT, more than a mid-first IMO. Depends on how high they are on Mahura, I guess. Still, I think Montreal should focus on RHD before LHD.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Funny how you’re always more inclined to think your player is more valuable. I just say Dumba because I know what he was last year and know there’s a chance that he can be that again. It was incredible to watch. He was so dynamic from the blue line. Looked like he was going to be a 1D for the next decade for us. That’s why I have trouble with the idea of trading him after a bad half of a season. He’s been much better since the all-star break. For me, I think Domi and Dumba are both having bad years, but I Valued Dumba >>>> Domi coming I to this year.

Right, and the reverse can be true from a Montreal perspective. Last year Domi was a 70 point center that opened up the ice and played with an infectious edge. And he's also had struggles this year, but he's far from the only one. I don't want to trade Domi (I'd rather move Tatar or Drouin), but sometimes you have to give to get.

I also no how ****ing hard it is to find center depth, so I'm really not eager to see Montreal move a guy that likes being here.

The reality is that there are concerns about both players and trades like this always carry inherent risk. You'd want a plus because Domi has been uneven in his career and might have unrealistic contract demands. I'd want a plus because Domi might have more control depending on his contract and Dumba hasn't looked the same coming off his injury.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The obvious solution is a top 10 protected first in 2020 + Domi for both.

While it is probable the first is indeed top 10, I think a line-up with a backend like:

Dumba-Brodin
Petry-Romanov
Weber-Chiarot

is quite unlikely to miss the playoffs. Could be wrong, though. Weber-Chiarot would be a heck of a 3rd pairing. Mete/Kulak would certainly be expendable.

Still think the most realistic trade is Domi for Dumba, straight up. Brodin is a less attractive target, but would be doable with an extension attached after July 1st.

Will Toronto be able to pry Dumba before the deadline to help'em in their push this year? That is the great question. They don't have a top 6 C to spare, however.

Too much protection.

 

[Michoulicious]

Too much protection.

Never too much.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Look, We need a RD that will lead after Weber. Dumba will be around 27-28. We still need "young veteran" in 2+ years and Dumba would be that.



You don't win without a Vet #1RD except if you are Makar

We are not winning for another 3 years at least and this is if our prospect pan out and we get lucky.
Play Alzner, resign Folin and get a UFA stop gap RHD.

 

[mariolemieux66]

They aren't drafting worth **** either, especially in the first round. With Dumba you know exactly what you're getting and he's young.

That's a whole other issue. Montreal needs a overhaul from top to bottom. Dumba isnt going to do much to help this team if more major changes are made.

 

[Michoulicious]

We are not winning for another 3 years at least and this is if our prospect pan out and we get lucky.
Play Alzner, resign Folin and get a UFA stop gap RHD.

Not many top 4 RHD UFA available this year... Altough I agree Pietrangelo would be a decent "stop gap".

 

[mariolemieux66]

Not many top 4 RHD UFA available this year... Altough I agree Pietrangelo would be a decent "stop gap".

We suck and we will suck for few more years. It doesnt really matter if the stop gap suck. Just suck and rebuild for the next 3 years. Bring Tinordi and Beaulieu back.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

If Bergy received an offer for Petry he liked, I can see him going for Dumba as a replacement for Petry and then pulling the trigger on the Petry trade.

That would be smart asset management.

But as of now, Petry is going nowhere!

 

[Baksfamous112]

Can’t see us acquiring both. Dumba for Domi is a deal I would make and looks like it make sense for both teams

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Watch Bergevin trade Domi for f***ing 2-goal Brodin. Just watch.

 

[Marshy71]

I would take the deal in OP. Good for both clubs.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Putting aside the Habs RHD situation, i would agree that Domi for Dumba is fair value.

 

[AKL]

Watch Bergevin trade Domi for ****ing 2-goal Brodin. Just watch.

Were I more informed about the players I was talking about, I probably wouldn’t judge them by their goal totals.

 

[Agalloch]

I would do Domi for Dumba.

And trade Petry to the highest bidder.

 

[Archijerej]

I'd probably be more interested in Brodin than Dumba.

 

[MuckOG]

I'd probably be more interested in Brodin than Dumba.

If you are looking for a lock down LHD, Brodin is who you want. If you want your RHD to bring the offense, then Dumba is your guy.

 

[Techcoockie]

That would be smart asset management.

this and Bergevin doesn't fit well together

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Were I more informed about the players I was talking about, I probably wouldn’t judge them by their goal totals.

We need more goals, not less.

 

[AKL]

We need more goals, not less.

Everyone needs more goals as opposed to less goals

Sometimes teams need to allow less goals as opposed to allowing more goals too

 

[Fixxer]

I would do Domi for Dumba.

And trade Petry to the highest bidder.

I'd trade Domi in a hearbeat and even for less. But Petry?? If he's gone, we got an oft-injured Weber, then a barely top 4 Chiarot and the rest of the bunch. Dumba doesn't replace Petry. These guys are difficult to replace.