Confirmed with Link: [MTL/BUF] Beaulieu to BUF for 3rd
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Lebowski
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Look at all the guys that weren't traded and that might be lost for nothing at the ED... It's not easy to get good value on trades because there aren't many teams with protection spots available for a guy like Beaulieu.
Moot point, since we did have a spot to protect Beaulieu. Ridiculous to trade him for a 3rd right after moving Sergachev, and for what, protecting Benn or Emelin? Sigh...
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He wasn't worth more than a 3rd rounder otherwise Bergevin would have had more for him. I don't know if the timing of the trade made a huge difference but seems to me the market got a reading of player with off ice issues who projects more as a bottom pairing D than he does as a 4th D. The writing was on the wall with the way Julien used him, especially on the most meaningful game of the playoffs when he was taken out of the lineup.
Lebowski
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beaulieu is just the latest of therriens victim; worse coach in recent habs history;
his rookie habs victims is felt even after hes gone...with galy next victim of the foxhole legend
as of now just a horrible defense and trading galy for one is steps in mud
his rookie habs victims is felt even after hes gone...with galy next victim of the foxhole legend
as of now just a horrible defense and trading galy for one is steps in mud
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If they had an inkling Vegas would take him, based on what they traded him for, they should have let Vegas have at him. Now who knows what Vegas will take.
As an aside, props for producing a post that that doesn't contain the usual "could of" and "should of" of this forum.
PsychoticHab
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Rules say that 20 of Vegas' picks must already be under contract so MB may have thought that Vegas would use one of the possible 10 slots for unsigned players on Markov and felt the need to protect him.
He knows Benn and Emelin won't be touched (unless he makes a deal forcing Vegas to take them) but Beaulieu would have been a possibility and that would have meant losing him for nothing and while he was not particularly good, it did make sense to get something back instead of nothing.
Also, it is possible that it was down between Plekanec (Gallant is a big fan) and Beaulieu and in an effort to remove temptation from Vegas should MB not be able to strike a deal to guarantee Vegas takes the player he wants, it may have been easier (and simpler) to pass him along to another team for something in return.
Lebowski
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What would be the odds of Markov signing with Vegas? What would be the odds of Markov signing with anyone but us this summer? To me he's irrelevant as far as the ED goes.
Also, he knows Benn and Emelin won't be touched? And yet, I'm pretty sure he'll protect one of the two, most likely Benn.
All I'm saying is, given our current predicament and the value he got for Beaulieu... Just keep the guy.
I totally agree with you.
Let's say we move Galchenyuk for Scandella or Brodin, and refuse to give Radulov 3 years and thus lose him. These are both very plausible scenarios if I believe what I read around here.
In that case, here is the before and after:
- Galchenyuk ---> Drouin
- Sergachev ----> 3rd round pick
- Radulov -------> Hudon
- Beaulieu ------> Scandella
- Plekanec ------> Plekanec (need to keep him now)
No significant upgrade in lines 1 or 4
Massive downgrade in line 2 prospect/draft pick
Massive downgrade in line 3 scoring winger
Due to big money spent on Drouin and Scandella (or Brodin), Radulov savings mostly squandered.
Now let's look at keeping Galchenyuk and giving Radulov his 3 year deal:
- Galchenyuk ---> Galchenyuk
- Sergachev ----> 3rd round pick
- Radulov -------> Radulov
- Beaulieu ------> Davidson or Jerabek
- Plekanec ------> Drouin
Still have big drop in prospect calibre from a #9 overall to #68 pick, but from a win-now perspective, we have a Massive offensive upgrade moving on from Plekanec, without major cap hit worries.
PsychoticHab
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Vegas would have the cap room to make Markov a hell of a 1 year offer. A team that has a lot of youth could use a veteran leader. Vegas also signed Shipashyov and a guy like Markov could potentially go a long way towards making the new signing comfortable in North America. I would personally be surprised if he would sign elsewhere but at the same time, everyone has their price and Vegas may just have enough to find Markov's.
That's why I'm thinking that his 3 protected d-men will be Weber, Petry, and Markov.
Adriatic
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Omg Markov already has a deal in place with Habs, they are waiting for July to announce.
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Scintillating10
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We are weak at center, Pleks maybe needed. He's our best defensive center. Why give up 3th pick? Not much in UFA pool this year.
Why don't we all wait and see what next week brings before we make too must judgement.
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Chili
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Happy for the kid to get a chance to move on and play under a coach who has a good track record of helping dmen develop. Housley should be able to help him.
With the Habs track record recently with young dmen (and in the past too, Hainsey, Streit, Beauchemin, Weber, etc )probably good for Sergachev's career too.
With the Habs track record recently with young dmen (and in the past too, Hainsey, Streit, Beauchemin, Weber, etc )probably good for Sergachev's career too.
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I don't trust the Habs to develop anyone.
I would draft exclusively from Europe and leave my prospects over there until they are NHL ready.
Bypass the awful AHL staff.
Chili
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With Beaulieu and Galchenyuk (among others) I would question their approach to young players at the NHL level as well.
Claude Ruel set the standard here years ago, helping young players.
The Habs could learn from their past.
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ECWHSWI
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common sense can even tell you when the deal will be announced nowadays...
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You can add a whole lot more, but it would just look like our Trade Threads from the last 5 years.
DAChampion
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I took a day off from posting yesterday, can someone summarize the logic of this trade for me?
If a third rounder is the best available trade for the depreciated Beaulieu, why not hold onto him until three weeks into the season when his value might rise due to injuries throughout the NHL?
If a third rounder is the best available trade for the depreciated Beaulieu, why not hold onto him until three weeks into the season when his value might rise due to injuries throughout the NHL?
Dagistitsyn
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Because if we didn't take the 3rd for him Vegas would have taken him for free. If not for the expansion draft we might have been able to get a 2nd from some sucker or maybe a 3rd and a 5th. Ah well
DAChampion
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A 3rd rounder over the possibility of Vegas taking him for free?
Did Bergevin confirm this worrying reasoning?
This actually incentivizes Vegas to take Hudon or De La Rose now.
Dagistitsyn
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Meh. Beaulieu despite being terrible still has more value than both of those guys, so at least we got something for him. I'm hoping they protect Hudon but I doubt it.
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