Mrazek traded to the Flyers

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  1. 14ari13

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    I think we have been splitting hairs and beating a dead over 33 pages.
    I apologise if I went too far.

    Anyhow
    1. We want Mrazek to win his games so we get the pick/s we hope for.
    2. We all agree that we need more than 5 games to see how well he is doing. Obviously he had 3 great games followed by 3/4 extremely bad games

    Now if Mrazek continues this bad, he will be lucky to get a backup job..
     
  2. 14ari13

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    I apologise.
    Sure. But some posters mix up or do not know the basic hockey, yet they insist to discuss.
    An example in this thread was where a poster claimed GAA was the goalie’s individual stats.
    When it come to the stats we have
    Players:
    Goals
    Assists
    +/- (*). This one is tricky

    Goalies
    SV%
    GAA
    Winning % (*) this one is also tricky

    When it come to Mrazek and the wings, I will refer to Osgood. We went with Hasek in ‘02 and won the cup (arguably top 3 goalie in the league). Then in ‘08 with Osgood. And Osgood was one of a very few who fell short one game of winning it back to back. Do we have any goalie in the last 20 years actually doing it?

    What I see now that the game has changed. Do we have any candidates for HOF among the top 10 goalies in the league? How many goalies have managed to keep their over 10+ years?
     
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    Mrazek has played 2 good games in a flyers uniform. The Ottawa game was a win but he was far from great.
     
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    Maybe that $900k on the UFA market I predicted wasn't so hilarious afterall... :sarcasm:

    It at least seems like he certainly isn't getting that $4.15M QO now.
     
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    The funny thing is over the last two games I don't know if I can fault him for any of the goals against. The Flyers defense has been like swiss cheese lately.

    The Flyers are going to have to bounce back at some point, but it will depend on if Mrazek can be consistent enough to stop the puck.
     
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    Yeah, this just turned into a crapfest and I definitely threw a stick of dynamite on the fire.

    For goalies, the best stats that we have for comparison are sv% and GAA because both of these are, ostensibly, things within the goalies control. Obviously there are saves that have nothing to do with the goalie messing up, but in terms of a large sample size (a season, a career) these tend to balance out with saves he made that were complete luck.

    And if you are a good goaltender, you will have a consistently higher sv% and a consistently lower GAA. A guy like Osgood shows the weakness of those stats, as his GAAs were actually close or superior to what Jimmy Howard's have been, but Jimmy's sv% is a good deal higher. The Wings in the late 90s gave up a ridiculously low number of shots, so a guy's sv% will be lower because he's not getting to pad that stat with unscreened point shots that realistically stand no chance of going in, but his GAA will stay low because they're also not giving up that many goals.

    And on the any HOF candidates?

    I think you could make some kind of argument for the following. They may not get there, but their names will definitely be mentioned.

    Guys without a Cup who would probably lock up HoF spot with one.

    Carey Price - among best goalies in league year in, year out. Needs team success.
    Henrik Lundqvist - among best goalies in league year in, year out. Needs team success.
    Sergei Bobrovsky actually has a shot. He's won two Vezinas. He'll need some team trophies to get real consideration, but he's been a top of the heap goalie.
    Marc-Andre Fleury - Won 09 Cup, big part of Pitts success since drafted. If Vegas wins this year, he's a HoFer, full stop.

    Guy with Cup/(s) who need more regular season numbers
    Matt Murray has a shot if he continues to be an elite goalie for a decade. Has two Cups already.
    Jonathan Quick - Won two cups with ludicrous playoff runs. Needs more regular season success.

    Guys who have very good stats and look like they could trend to a Cup if their team gets better
    Cory Schneider - If the Devils rip off a sustained string of success in the coming years with guys like Hischier and Hall leading the way.
    Braden Holtby - Caps have a crazy amount of regular season success and Holtby has glittering stats in that. If they can break through and win a Cup, his candidacy gains a lot of legitimacy.

    Basically, there are a bunch of really good goalies who need one thing on their resume to have a very strong HoF candidacy.

    And to end, winning % for a goalie is a worthless stat. It relies on way too many variables that the goalie has absolutely no control over and the results of the stat can reliably over a large sample size be borne out by the peripherals. It is exactly the same as wins in baseball. Good underlying numbers will tend to lead to good win/loss results, but due to variability in external factors sometimes do not.
     
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    Well, hey. A 4th round pick is fine, too.
     
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    And if eventually parting ways with both Mrazek and Howard leads to finding a dependable solution in net for the future, that's well worth the transition.
     
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    The only way Mrazek was working out in Detroit is if they cleaned house of all the management and coaches that had given up on him. We saw the writing on the wall the minute the "character" pieces started coming out from the Wings media.

    Given this, I'm happy they got something out of a player they were ready to move on from. I don't think ideally it's the correct move, but hell, it's better than trying to keep everyone. We've seen how that works out.

    Howard is a good stopgap while the team looks to the future in net. Who knows, maybe Howard even transitions into cheap veteran mentor after his current deal expires. Howard spotting 20-30 games a year is better than most teams have as a backup plan.
     
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    It’s not a dead horse, it’s a dead parrot.

    Everyone agreed that beating a dead horse is beyond pointless, but you have to keep it going.
     
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    He didn't. Sorry for correcting your false statement.
     
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    Mrazek never earned that 4M. I have no idea why Holland gave him that much. I think he has a chance to turn his game around. We will see how both he and the team respond, but Mrazek had 3-4 brutal games.
    IF
     
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    Petr gets a win over WPG
     
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    Just needs one more win for the pick to be a 3rd rounder correct?
     
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    Just scanned though the Philly board. Everyone seems happy that he was lights out, yet confused as to why he can't play like that all the time. Sounds way too familiar.
     
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    If Philly makes the playoffs, That would be correct.
     
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    He played pretty solidly against a really good team. Hopefully we see more of this Petr then the bad Petr.
     
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    I can speak for last weekend's disaster for Mrazek. But the loss this week? I only saw the first four goals.
    Breakaway. 2 on 1. Backdoor pass. deflection on a screen.

    You provide him with decent defense and he'll be a solid goalie.
    But if you play amateur hour defense, nobody is going to save you.
    Not Mrazek. Not Howard. Not Price. Not Rinne.
     
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    4 wins. Just 1 more. Go Philly.
     
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    Wow... that sounds like literally every goalie that's ever played in the NHL. Not exactly a glowing review of a goaltender.
     
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    Good win for Petr. Couldn't do anything for Laine's laser-bomb, but that's the hardest to catch for anybody nowadays in the league. Did catch everything else.
     
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    There are plenty of substandard goalies behind quality teams.
     
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    They have 13 games left, so he should Get another win.
    I think the sample size is too small to compare his wings vs Phylli numbers. But we are getting closer, maybe next 5 games.
     
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    He was awesome, easily the number one star. He made a glove save on Laine in the first that was unreal. Love watching Petr when he plays like that, he had that swagger and cockiness going from the get go, could feel it was going to be a great game for him.
     
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    PHI/VGK game is 1-1 after 40 minutes. Hopefully Mrazek can notch that 5th win.
     

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