Most Valuable Oiler #9 - Tiebreak

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Between Martin Marincin and Ben Scrivens, who do you think is the next most valuable Oiler going forward?

Consider age, contract, injury history, positional value, leadership, potential, etc... One way of thinking of it would be: in a trade to a neutral team, who would bring the greatest return?


2014 Offseason Results:

Rank|Name|Vote|Δ
1| Taylor Hall|96%|--
2| Ryan Nugent-Hopkins|84%|--
3| Jordan Eberle|59%|+1
4| Nail Yakupov|43%|-1
5| Leon Draisaitl |39%|*
6| Darnell Nurse |39%|+6
7| David Perron |52%|+4
8| Justin Schultz |63%|-3
9| Tie

*new to 2014-2015 Oilers roster

2013 Offseason Results:

Rank|Name|Vote
1| Taylor Hall|77%
2| Ryan Nugent-Hopkins|67%
3| Nail Yakupov|67%
4| Jordan Eberle|62%
5| Justin Schultz|76%
6| *Sam Gagner|31%
7| *Ladislav Smid|38%
8| Oscar Klefbom|31%
9| *Devan Dubnyk|39%
10| Jeff Petry|59%
11| David Perron|57%
12| Darnell Nurse|73%
13| Andrew Ference|52%
14| Boyd Gordon|41%
15| *Ales Hemsky|49%

*not on 2014-2015 Oilers roster

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[Bryanbryoil]

In terms of next season definitely Scrivens in terms of trade value then likely Marincin.

 

[Quokka]

Just curious, why is there a tie break when Marincin had 3 more votes than Scrivens in the poll?

In any event, as I am not sure whether Scrivens or Fasth will emerge as the #1 or 1A goalie, as a result I think Marincin is more valuable/important for this coming season and in terms of trade value. Perhaps if Fasth was not also on the team I would have voted differently as he seems capable of picking up the slack if Scrivens is underperforming.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Just curious, why is there a tie break when Marincin had 3 more votes than Scrivens in the poll?

I figured I'd do tie-breaks if the vote was within 5%. That number is completely arbitrary

 

[Quokka]

I figured I'd do tie-breaks if the vote was within 5%. That number is completely arbitrary

Ok, thanks, makes sense.

 

[sepHF]

We got Scrivens for a 3rd, if we traded Marincin for a 3rd I'd puke.

 

[slim2001]

We got Scrivens for a 3rd, if we traded Marincin for a 3rd I'd puke.

Agreed. Would still prefer loser to go back into the vote for #10 then just giving it to him. The split votes on poll #9 with 3 defensemen with similar value will show in this tiebreaker poll. Predicting Marincin will win this by a landslide, then Klefbom and Petry would get more votes for #10 and #11.

 

[slim2001]

I figured I'd do tie-breaks if the vote was within 5%. That number is completely arbitrary

Poll #6 was within 2 votes and 5% as well...

 

[LTIR]

We got Scrivens for a 3rd, if we traded Marincin for a 3rd I'd puke.

If PHI makes Lecavalier available for trade asks for either Scrivens or Marincin in return... who would MacT give up? Im thinking Marincin.

Scrivs has a lot more value to the team.. He can be the make or break guy when it comes to making the playoffs.. Marincin holds more value due to potential but is redundant with others in the system.

 

[dustrock]

In terms of next season definitely Scrivens in terms of trade value then likely Marincin.

cant argue with this logic.

 

[sepHF]

If PHI makes Lecavalier available for trade asks for either Scrivens or Marincin in return... who would MacT give up? Im thinking Marincin.

Scrivs has a lot more value to the team.. He can be the make or break guy when it comes to making the playoffs.. Marincin holds more value due to potential but is redundant with others in the system.

Honestly I would hope neither, he's signed for too long and it would create cap issues later.

Consider age, contract, injury history, positional value, leadership, potential, etc... One way of thinking of it would be: in a trade to a neutral team, who would bring the greatest return?

 

[The Nuge]

If PHI makes Lecavalier available for trade asks for either Scrivens or Marincin in return... who would MacT give up? Im thinking Marincin.

Scrivs has a lot more value to the team.. He can be the make or break guy when it comes to making the playoffs.. Marincin holds more value due to potential but is redundant with others in the system.

That's irrelevant. As you just said, Marincin holds more value. Value to the team =/= value

 

[Supermassive]

I look forward to seeing Martian Manhunter lead a pairing this year, while contributing to the team's success. Which partner will he carry on his back? Petry again?

 

[Mr Positive]

Marincin is arguably more valuable as a trade asset and also as a player in the short term. We need a goalie to succeed, but without Scrivens we still have Fasth. Marincin is arguably the best LHD we have. Keeping him means that Ference stays on the bottom pairing and that Nikitin doesn't get overwhelmed

 

[T-Funk]

Value in a trade to a neutral team? Marincin
Value to the Oilers? Scrivens

 

[rockinghockey]

If Scrivens flops this year so do the Oilers if Marincin flops he goes down to the minors.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Marincin is arguably more valuable as a trade asset and also as a player in the short term. We need a goalie to succeed, but without Scrivens we still have Fasth. Marincin is arguably the best LHD we have. Keeping him means that Ference stays on the bottom pairing and that Nikitin doesn't get overwhelmed

I really hope that Nikitin is better than Marincin was last season for us. Nothing against Martin but you'd hope so for what we paid for Nikitin and his age, etc.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If Scrivens flops this year so do the Oilers if Marincin flops he goes down to the minors.

Agreed, IMO Scrivens has a better chance of carrying our team on his back than Fasth does or Marincin for that matter.

 

[TheBusDriver]

Goalies, unless they are elite are not worth much, theres a lot of average goalies out there. Went with Marincin here.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Poll #6 was within 2 votes and 5% as well...

I am an idiot. That should have been a tie-break too. Sorry

 

[La Bamba]

It's harder to get a Marincin type player(young solid dman with potential) versus an average middle aged goalie(I like Scrivens but it's the truth).

 

[BarDownBobo]

Agreed, IMO Scrivens has a better chance of carrying our team on his back than Fasth does or Marincin for that matter.

It blows me away so many people still seem to think that Scrivens is miles better than Fasth. With the Oil last year, Fasth's GAA was 0.28 lower than Scrivens. He also finished with a better W/L record. The only advantage Scrivens had was a measly .002 better Sv Pct. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how the starts get split up this year.