Most important statistics for Selke Trophy

[MartinS82]

lol he's averaging 27 seconds a game.

18 minutes total on the season after 40 games - that's good for 5th most among centers on the Penguins.

386 players in the NHL have put in more PK time than Crosby. Bizarre that anyone could think that was some sort of strength.

He just started on the PK about 10 games ago, so using average time isn't the best way to measure. Plus, I never really said it's a plus, just that sports writers will jump all over it. But thanks for all the time you spent to look up all that info.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

GA60, usage, DZO faceoffs, PK ability and mins. All stats that pertain to defence.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Being star player. Have reputation of being good at defense. And score a lot of points...

Joke award, as every NHL trophy minus maybe Vezina and Calder...

I think the Selke is one of the more accurate awards because it is usually given to a player who has proven to be strong defensively over multiple seasons. Very rare that you would see a flash in the pan win this award.

 

[ScaredStreit]

-Points
-Reputation

It's really quite sad what's happened to the award. Back in the day Trottier (a great two way center) lost the Selke in a season where he won the Art Ross, and lost it to a guy who scored 38 points (in the late 70's). That wouldn't happen today.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

There are few, if any, forwards I'd rather have in a key defensive situation than Datsyuk, Bergeron, Kopitar or Toews. There's a reason these guys also have collected some Cups.

Zetterberg.

 

[Help]

The Kotkaniemi Index is the only stat I care about

 

[acor]

I think the Selke is one of the more accurate awards because it is usually given to a player who has proven to be strong defensively over multiple seasons. Very rare that you would see a flash in the pan win this award.

Yeah, but NHL awards are for this particular season... Don't know why previous seasons should matter...
Besides, you don't have even to best defensively to win it, all you need is to have "defensive reputation" and score a lot points...

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

My stat is, 'is it Bergeron? Yes.'

 

[wingnutks]

GA60, usage, DZO faceoffs, PK ability and mins. All stats that pertain to defence.

So Casey Cizikas? Center, +26 on the best defensive team in the league, 2:00 min of PK TOI, 66% DZO. Too bad he only has 30 points, but does have 19 goals... as a 4th liner. Being a +26 4th line center is pretty amazing.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

-Points
-Reputation

It's really quite sad what's happened to the award. Back in the day Trottier (a great two way center) lost the Selke in a season where he won the Art Ross, and lost it to a guy who scored 38 points (in the late 70's). That wouldn't happen today.

Most people believe that Patrice Bergeron is the best two-way forward in hockey and he's won the lion's share of modern Selke Trophies. Fancy stats also seem to be in Bergeron's favor too.

I could see this argument if like Alexander Ovechkin was a multi-time Selke winner but the award seems to be consistently going to the best defensive player?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

So Casey Cizikas? Center, +26 on the best defensive team in the league, 2:00 min of PK TOI, 66% DZO. Too bad he only has 30 points, but does have 19 goals... as a 4th liner. Being a +26 4th line center is pretty amazing.

The joke amongst Isles fans this season has been the 4th line, I mean 1st line is pretty good. Trotz is one of the those rare coaches, he trusts the Cizikas line when the game just seems to be getting away from them to reset the Isles during a game. The zone starts and GA per 60 don't lie. Cizikas is also 3rd on the Isles in goals virtually without any PP time. To me he fits the true definition of what a Selke candidate is.

"the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game."

 

[DRW204]

With and Without stats/on-ice results defensively
GA and Shot attempts rates

should be taken into consideration but eye-test should be used too. selke is probably the toughest trophy to vote for b/c it's damn near impossible to watch /track/rate the defensive of a play of Forward in all 3 zones over the course of 82 games.

There's also team system impact... ie: last year you wouldn't have rated any NYI high defensively, but now they're showing up well in defensive metrics, the biggest change was a subtraction of JT and the addition of Trotz. Another example in Minnesota - they're often very strong defensively and most of their players typically show well in defensive metrics. - that's why i like the with and w/o stats because it isolates who is a superior defensive player in a good defensive system

edit: also need to add context like quality of competition too, another plus if you PK with some good success

 

[nbwingsfan]

Also, how close did you come to winning the Hart.

Seems as often as not, it's a consolation prize.

Has a Hart finalist ever won a Selke? Besides Feds.

 

[kingsholygrail]

1. Reputation
2. +/-
3. Points
4. Team in playoffs
5. Center
*Bonus points if he plays PK regardless of how well.

Pretty sure #4 is actually #1 when it comes to the subjective awards.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Most people believe that Patrice Bergeron is the best two-way forward in hockey and he's won the lion's share of modern Selke Trophies. Fancy stats also seem to be in Bergeron's favor too.

I could see this argument if like Alexander Ovechkin was a multi-time Selke winner but the award seems to be consistently going to the best defensive player?

Is Bergeron really the best defensive forward though? Two-way? Sure.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Has a Hart finalist ever win a Selke? Besides Feds.

Gilmour

 

[MartinS82]

Has a Hart finalist ever win a Selke? Besides Feds.

Kopitar last year. Not sure before that.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Gilmour

So two examples in how many years? Not sure how it’s considered a consolation prize then...

 

[MartinS82]

So two examples in how many years? Not sure how it’s considered a consolation prize then...

Agreed. I think the poster that made that comment originally backed off of it.

 

[freakydallas13]

Aside from Kopitar last season, Selke winners are almost never Hart finalists. In the last 25 years only 2 Hart finalists have won the Selke and going back further probably sees even fewer Hart finalists since it used to go to much lower scoring players.

It certainly isn't a Hart consolations prize in recent years.

2018- Kopitar finished 3rd in Hart voting
2017- Bergeron didn't get a Hart vote
2016- Kopitar finished 8th in Hart voting (less than 4% of votes)
2015- Bergeron didn't get a Hart vote
2014- Bergeron finished 5th in Hart voting (10% of votes)
2013- Toews finished 4th in Hart voting (very close to being a finalist)
2012- Bergeron finished 18th in Hart voting (3 total votes)
2011- Kesler finished 8th in Hart voting (less than 6% of votes)
2010- Datsyuk didn't get a Hart vote

Bobby Clarke would have probably won some Selkes in his Hart winning years if the trophy existed then.

 

[MadLuke]

Has a Hart finalist ever won a Selke? Besides Feds.

Datsyuk 2008-2009 ?
2008-09 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

Toews was #4,

 

[Love]

It could be the same question for a defender too, just asking with regards to the Selke. Selke even more so than the Norris is a question of who is the best defensively whereas the Norris is about who is the best player at a specific position.

So as for the question in the title, is it relative corsi? Relative corsi + taking into consideration zone starts, qual comp, etc?

For example, what stat tells me that Bergeron is the best defensive forward in the NHL (assuming he is, just using as an example)?

 

[morehockeystats]

What makes you think there's such a single stat?

 

[alko]

There is (was) already such discussion. And the result is, there isnt a statistic, or better say bunch of statistics, that can be definitely used for Selke Trophy. Its a wild card Trophy.

 

[Pominville Knows]

There is (was) already such discussion. And the result is, there isnt a statistic, or better say bunch of statistics, that can be definitely used for Selke Trophy. Its a wild card Trophy.

Its more a trophy like one for ice skating or dance is awarded.
Another matter that voters have changed their judgement through the years, but its not like voters for other trophies and achievements have not done so too.