Confirmed with Link: Morrissey bridge: 2 years, $3.15M AAV

[Hunter368]

Maybe, maybe not but it likely makes the Jets more competitive in the next two years.

IMO a good move for the Jets.

Yes no doubt for the next two years, but not necessarily long term.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Yes no doubt for the next two years, but not necessarily long term.

To be determined, it may have little or no impact. Leaves more options for the next 2 years for sure though.

 

[Hunter368]

To be determined, it may have little or no impact. Leaves more options for the next 2 years for sure though.

If Josh continues to improve like he’s highly expected to.....long term a bridge will hurt us. Short term of course a bridge is more flexible so helps.

 

[Whileee]

I wish we had signed Morrissey, traded Trouba and Myers and not re-signed Wheeler this early. Instead let's get rid of a guy who doesn't want to be here and a guy who shouldn't be part of the Jets long term plans (Myers), even if these guys were traded mostly for futures and given ourself more options with Wheeler and gone all in on Stone next summer. Taking a small step back this season would not have been the end of the world to be a contender for years to come.

Now we are pretty much out of contention for Stone who could have helped us contend for a very long time (and is a Manitoba guy as well9 and now Morrissey can really play hardball in time for his next contact when there is going to be no Trouba and a Buff approaching the end of his contact.

Or they could trade Trouba and let Myers expire after another Cup run this season, re-sign Morrissey after next season, and fill in around a killer core over the next several years.

Alternatively, sign Troyba, extend Morrissey and ride a killer core for the next several years.

There are some very good future scenarios...

 

[kittiecarlyle]

If Josh continues to improve like he’s highly expected to.....long term a bridge will hurt us. Short term of course a bridge is more flexible so helps.

That, again is to be determined. Costing more doesn't equate to hurting us necessarily.

 

[Hunter368]

That, again is to be determined. Costing more doesn't equate to hurting us necessarily.

You can of course debate if Josh will continue to develop or not. Hypothetically he keeps developing, paying more cap space for the same quality makes us less competitive......there's no debating that fact.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

You can of course debate if Josh will continue to develop or not. Hypothetically he keeps developing, paying more cap space for the same quality makes us less competitive......there's no debating that fact.

It is not if he improves, it is how limiting his contract will be now or in 2 years. You're looking at it too narrowly.

A lot of other things will influence that and those factors simply are not known right now and are very very fluid. There actually is debating your point but not the one I made. The question is not whether a lower aav is more favorable or not, the question is will it be more of an issue being up against the cap in 2 years than it would have been now and for 2 years.

There may indeed be more room in 2 years, in the meantime you have left room to be flexible and options remain more open.

 

[Hunter368]

It is not if he improves, it is how limiting his contract will be now or in 2 years. You're looking at it too narrowly.

A lot of other things will influence that and those factors simply are not known right now and are very very fluid. There actually is debating your point but not the one I made. The question is not whether a lower aav is more favorable or not, the question is will it be more of an issue being up against the cap in 2 years than it would have been now and for 2 years.

There may indeed be more room in 2 years, in the meantime you have left room to be flexible and options remain more open.

Two different POV’s, time will tell whether the bridge was a good idea or not. Let’s talk in two years when we have the benefit of hindsight.

 

[jetsforever]

You can of course debate if Josh will continue to develop or not. Hypothetically he keeps developing, paying more cap space for the same quality makes us less competitive......there's no debating that fact.

Also, in theory Josh can sign an 8-year deal after these two years which gives us an extra 2 years of him, compared to signing 8 years now and going UFA after that.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Two different POV’s, time will tell whether the bridge was a good idea or not. Let’s talk in two years when we have the benefit of hindsight.

Obviously in 2 years the picture is actually painted, right now it isn't. The point still being, if as anticipated Morrissey improves and costs more on a long term deal it does not mean the effect of that will be negative compared to a long term deal now.

 

[Hunter368]

Obviously in 2 years the picture is actually painted, right now it isn't. The point still being, if as anticipated Morrissey improves and costs more on a long term deal it does not mean the effect of that will be negative compared to a long term deal now.

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I'd have hoped the Jets offered Morrissey a similar contract.

Shea Theodore - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[KingBogo]

I'd have hoped the Jets offered Morrissey a similar contract.

Shea Theodore - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I'm guessing they would have offered him more. Of course he is a better player with a higher ceiling so he would expect more.

 

[Whileee]

I'd have hoped the Jets offered Morrissey a similar contract.

Shea Theodore - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think Chevy would have cut short a long weekend at the lake to sign Morrissey at 7 x $5.2M.

 

[Duke749]

You can of course debate if Josh will continue to develop or not. Hypothetically he keeps developing, paying more cap space for the same quality makes us less competitive......there's no debating that fact.

You’re ignoring potential cap rises. You can’t say it’s a “fact” that he’ll take up more cap when the cap will likely rise leaving the percentage he takes up to be determined. There’s no way to say either or at this point. We just have to wait.

 

[Maukkis]

To be determined, it may have little or no impact. Leaves more options for the next 2 years for sure though.

They had better not extend Myers with the cap room this move 'opened up.' That is the one thing we should be very, very afraid of.

As for others, this might help us in the event of Connor wanting to go long-term immediately. Laine's long-term deal should never be under any threat to begin with. Trouba - we cannot say anything for sure at this point, but this should help there too. If Copp becomes a problem, Copp goes à l'Armia.

And even still - nothing can justify this move. If this was not a question of Morrissey refusing to sign long term - and I highly doubt that - Chevy made a massive mistake here. We have a lot of unused cap space beyond the necessary space to fit all the bonuses in, two overpaid bottom pairing defensemen on payroll, and neither of our top pairing defensemen were locked up. What is there not to critique?

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I'm guessing they would have offered him more. Of course he is a better player with a higher ceiling so he would expect more.

I think Chevy would have cut short a long weekend at the lake to sign Morrissey at 7 x $5.2M.

So what we're saying then is signing Morrissey long term was an impossibility this year?

Right now a 22 man roster will cost the team $72,509,955 with an additional $3,712,500 in bonus' totalling $76,222,455 leaving just $2,777,555 in cap space.

With Morrissey signed to $3,150,000 Chevy couldn't have even offered him $6 millionAAV.

Add in a 23rd player & $5.2 was close to the max possible.

 

[Jimmyjets]

They had better not extend Myers with the cap room this move 'opened up.' That is the one thing we should be very, very afraid of.

As for others, this might help us in the event of Connor wanting to go long-term immediately. Laine's long-term deal should never be under any threat to begin with. Trouba - we cannot say anything for sure at this point, but this should help there too. If Copp becomes a problem, Copp goes à l'Armia.

And even still - nothing can justify this move. If this was not a question of Morrissey refusing to sign long term - and I highly doubt that - Chevy made a massive mistake here. We have a lot of unused cap space beyond the necessary space to fit all the bonuses in, two overpaid bottom pairing defensemen on payroll, and neither of our top pairing defensemen were locked up. What is there not to critique?

I think there is a very strong probability that the players open up the CBA in 2020 and ultimately it results in a rollback of existing contracts to fix the escrow issue going forward. Josh is a very smart guy, he was the WHL Scholastic Player of the year, and he likely realizes that this outcome is almost more likely than not in solving escrow for players. They're not going to move from 50-50 HRR, they're not going to freeze the cap so there is no space for the UFA crop, they're not going to grow revenue at a rate beyond what they escalate the cap at and their not going to move to a soft cap. The only real solution is to roll back existing contracts so that they fall in line with a true 50% HRR (similar to what happend after the lockout). As most teams operate near the cap ceiling you may also adjust the ceiling so that it is based of 40% of HRR instead of 50% so that players get a bonus at the end of the year instead of the current clawback.

If you thought there was a real chance that your contract would be reduced, and you could wait and sign that long term deal afterwards I know what I would do. In 2 years if he takes a 5 by $6 at worst he'll be in the same spot as Theodore, but could end up way ahead if the last 5 years of Theodore's contract is rolled back.

 

[Trinity]

They had better not extend Myers with the cap room this move 'opened up.' That is the one thing we should be very, very afraid of.

Who plays RHD then after Buff with Trouba presumed gone?

 

[Maukkis]

Who plays RHD then after Buff with Trouba presumed gone?

Not this route again. I beg.

Trouba leaving is an issue entirely separate from anything else. Myers does not come close to replacing him in any way. The point of booting Myers the f*** away from this team is to replace him for almost 5 million less, while getting assets back for him.

In an ideal, Trouba-less world, Poolman is the Myers replacement, and the replacement for Trouba is acquired via trade or internally. The thing is, you cannot realistically replace Trouba with what is supposedly available, but signing a replacement level defenseman to a large contract and having him do the job is not any better an option.

 

[Trinity]

Not this route again. I beg.

Trouba leaving is an issue entirely separate from anything else. Myers does not come close to replacing him in any way. The point of booting Myers the **** away from this team is to replace him for almost 5 million less, while getting assets back for him.

In an ideal, Trouba-less world, Poolman is the Myers replacement, and the replacement for Trouba is acquired via trade or internally. The thing is, you cannot realistically replace Trouba with what is supposedly available, but signing a replacement level defenseman to a large contract and having him do the job is not any better an option.

You can't treat Trouba and Myers separately because they are related. You are talking in hypotheticals, but are offering no concrete solutions. The reality is that if Trouba stays, then Myers is gone. But of Trouba leaves, then in all likelihood Chevy will extend Myers. Poolman is not ready to play second pairing minutes...he's barely NHL ready.

 

[cheswick]

If Josh continues to improve like he’s highly expected to.....long term a bridge will hurt us. Short term of course a bridge is more flexible so helps.

How so? You're under the impression he would have signed long term this summer for less money than his play is expected to improve to?

 

[kittiecarlyle]

And even still - nothing can justify this move. If this was not a question of Morrissey refusing to sign long term - and I highly doubt that - Chevy made a massive mistake here. We have a lot of unused cap space beyond the necessary space to fit all the bonuses in, two overpaid bottom pairing defensemen on payroll, and neither of our top pairing defensemen were locked up. What is there not to critique?

Yeah ... no.
Massive mistake with this take.

 

[KingBogo]

So what we're saying then is signing Morrissey long term was an impossibility this year?

Right now a 22 man roster will cost the team $72,509,955 with an additional $3,712,500 in bonus' totalling $76,222,455 leaving just $2,777,555 in cap space.

With Morrissey signed to $3,150,000 Chevy couldn't have even offered him $6 millionAAV.

Add in a 23rd player & $5.2 was close to the max possible.

My take is Morrissey wasn't willing to play out his mid and late 20's at a salary that he believes he will soon exceed. Every indication was Morrissey was pushing for the bridge as much as we all wanted him signed long term. IMO at least much better to settle on a bridge number then to go to war with a top pairing young defenseman. In 2 years you loop back and hopefully find a number that works for both sides.

 

[Maukkis]

Yeah ... no.
Massive mistake with this take.

- Myers and Kulikov are the overpaid bottom pairing guys, as proven by various statistics.
- Trouba and Morrissey got a combined three years of term.
- We have about 2 million of cap space with a full roster and after bonuses, which will just sit there and wait.

Stating facts is a mistake? Right.