Morin

[Math the wild rose]

If he can have 3-4 goals and 20 points à year Like his 2 Firsts Ahl seasons, but in the Nhl.

And if they give him 13-15 minutes-max And the right matchups on the third pair with Ghost,

he's standing a chance of playing on a regular basis. They Will play hard together

They could achieve secondary offensive support to the big stars of the team.

And some nice Things can happen if your entire contribute.

My only concern, i think, if he work hard. He can be an absolute defensive force and punish. And exit the D zone quickly.

I observed the way he played and skated in the Ahl at défense position and his 2 games at D. He put a lot of work of being agressive on the man with the puck and keeping them away from the center of the Ice. He can hit hard and players understand this.

 

[deadhead]

Morin and Hagg are both question marks, but they're only 25, even if it seems like they've been around forever.
For physical defensemen, that's around the age most make the NHL and establish themselves as starters.
Both are running out of time, Hagg to show he can take a step up, Morin to show he can play, period.

Morin is getting his shot now, Hagg will probably get a shot when he returns from injury.
Both have the size they need on defense, neither is going to be a puck carrier or offensive force.

The other question is whether Braun would be a good fit with Morin on the 3rd pair, we already know he's not a good fit with Hagg.

 

[Adtar02]

He barely played on the Phantoms cause of the groin injury he was trying to play thru earlier in the season, and then had to spend months rehabbing. There was no punishment involved, and the knee injury he suffered had no relation to his previous ailment.

The injured reserve story sounds like an invention cause you don’t get put on NHL IR for an injury suffered in the AHL. The Flyers didn’t have to keep Morin on the roster once they found out he was not actually fit to play. Hextall was mad at Morin because he hadn’t fully disclosed to them what he was dealing with, but that was never going to get him extra NHL money.

Thought it was a groin. And I am fully aware was recapping what happened that season. Never said punishment. But it was literally the events that happened. It was weird as he was playing through the groined and then shut down for so long. Never said the knee had anything to do with the groin. Then seemed to come back fast for playoffs.

 

[mja]

Morin and Hagg are both question marks, but they're only 25, even if it seems like they've been around forever.
For physical defensemen, that's around the age most make the NHL and establish themselves as starters.
Both are running out of time, Hagg to show he can take a step up, Morin to show he can play, period.

Morin is getting his shot now, Hagg will probably get a shot when he returns from injury.
Both have the size they need on defense, neither is going to be a puck carrier or offensive force.

The other question is whether Braun would be a good fit with Morin on the 3rd pair, we already know he's not a good fit with Hagg.

Morin is definitely an unknown but Hagg is the furthest thing from a question mark that there possibly can be. There's no untapped potential there. He doesn't possess any outstanding tools and simply can't think the game at an NHL level.

 

[Starat327]

Morin is definitely an unknown but Hagg is the furthest thing from a question mark that there possibly can be. There's no untapped potential there. He doesn't possess any outstanding tools and simply can't think the game at an NHL level.

The funny part about this is that said poster was adamant last year that Sanheim, at 24 " is what he likely is at this point" but at 25, Hagg is a 'question mark'.

When youve got an agenda, never, EVER let anything, including logic, or contradicting yourself, stand in your way.

 

[deadhead]

By 24-25, players aren't going to change much physically.
It comes down to mental skills.

All Hagg has to do to be a competent defenseman is to play within himself. He's not going to evolve into a top 4 defenseman, he could learn to play under control and reduce his mistakes. He seemed to be doing that before he got hurt, was it a fluke? Who knows?

Sanheim physically is probably close to maxed out, he's not going to add a lot more strength unless he's a freak, he's not going to get faster, etc. So again, mental part of the game, can he play more under control in his D-zone and anticipate the pressure? Sanheim and Myers started giving up scoring chances in the D-zone in the playoffs, I think HCs saw they'll make mistakes under pressure and have turned up the heat this season. Now it's up to them to respond.

 

[BritainStix]

The funny part about this is that said poster was adamant last year that Sanheim, at 24 " is what he likely is at this point" but at 25, Hagg is a 'question mark'.

When youve got an agenda, never, EVER let anything, including logic, or contradicting yourself, stand in your way.

It's just embarrassing at this point.

 

[Starat327]

It's just embarrassing at this point.

I almost feel bad calling it out anymore, because im beginning to think it may not be a conscious thing.

 

[BritainStix]

Sounds like he would be perfect as a politician.....

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Gotta give Hextall credit for signing Morin to a 3 year one way contract. Flyers organization didn't need to do that, but they stuck by him even though it didn't look like he would become an NHL regular.

 

[CutOnDime97]

By 24-25, players aren't going to change much physically.

All Hagg has to do to be a competent defenseman is to play within himself. He's not going to evolve into a top 4 defenseman, he could learn to play under control and reduce his mistakes. He seemed to be doing that before he got hurt, was it a fluke? Who knows?

Unfortunately he isn't going to evolve into a top 8 NHL defenseman either

 

[deadhead]

Unfortunately he isn't going to evolve into a top 8 NHL defenseman either

Who knows? Tanev was bad in Vancouver the last couple years, goes to Calgary, the light goes on.

Hagg has the basic tools to be a solid 3rd pair defensive oriented D-man, but he tries to do too much and takes himself out of position. Maybe he's brain dead, maybe he hasn't been coached up.

Players resist coaching and don't accept roles, Manning was an offensive defenseman in the AHL, in the NHL he wasn't skilled enough for that role, but couldn't keep from trying to do things he lacked the talent to execute. Ghost still struggles to accept he can't outskate his mistakes any more and play a more conservative game.

Some players make the necessary adjustments, others are out of the league before they turn 30.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Who knows? Tanev was bad in Vancouver the last couple years, goes to Calgary, the light goes on.

Hagg has the basic tools to be a solid 3rd pair defensive oriented D-man, but he tries to do too much and takes himself out of position. Maybe he's brain dead, maybe he hasn't been coached up.

Players resist coaching and don't accept roles, Manning was an offensive defenseman in the AHL, in the NHL he wasn't skilled enough for that role, but couldn't keep from trying to do things he lacked the talent to execute. Ghost still struggles to accept he can't outskate his mistakes any more and play a more conservative game.

Some players make the necessary adjustments, others are out of the league before they turn 30.

Would be fine with Hagg as the true 7. But both Hak and AV have loved the guy and played him over better players.

 

[BritainStix]

Hagg doesn't have the IQ, foot speed or offensive ability to do anything but hinder teams in the NHL.

Why has defending Hagg become your past time suddenly?

 

[deadhead]

Would be fine with Hagg as the true 7. But both Hak and AV have loved the guy and played him over better players.

Friedman? Let's see him play 15 minutes at a decent level first.

Ghost? Hagg doesn't play over Ghost, look at their TOI. Ghost benches himself with displays of inept carelessness, then gets religion for a few games before repeating.

Hagg was the 7th D-man starting the season, Prosser #8 b/c it's not a role for Zamula or Hogberg (who need to be where they are, playing in the AHL on a regular basis).

Not his fault Gus couldn't figure it out (credit him for trying to play defense, but he's so focused on not making a mistake it's stifled his offense and leads him to paralysis by analysis, he's thinking too much instead of reacting). Or that Ghost keeps putting himself into the doghouse.

The one thing I don't understand is pairing Hagg and Braun, butt ugly. Hagg was pretty solid paired with Ghost, in fact, Ghost has played better with Hagg than any other partner the last three years:

Hagg - Ghost, CF 50.44%, xGF 52.66%, xGFrel +3.27
Provorov - Ghost, CF 49.04%, xGF 49.33%, xGFrel +0.61
Ghost - Myers, CF 50.55%, xGF 44.08%, xGFrel -4.17
Ghost - Braun, CF 48.55%, xGF 48.96%, xGFrel -1.60

Just shows you the importance of "fit."
Of course, Hagg - Ghost are probably more sheltered on the 3rd pair, but Ghost has still played better with Hagg than any other partner.

 

[GKJ]

Would be fine with Hagg as the true 7. But both Hak and AV have loved the guy and played him over better players.

At his salary he actually is paid like a 7D

 

[Audible Velvet]

The thing I like most about Sam's game is that he isn't Hagg. So if he were to force him down the depth chart, then great.

I also got caught up in the emotion over his interview, so go big guy.

 

[Dooble08]

Morin beat Lemieux all the way to LA. We should trade for Jamie Oleksiak and pair them together.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Friedman? Let's see him play 15 minutes at a decent level first.

Ghost? Hagg doesn't play over Ghost, look at their TOI. Ghost benches himself with displays of inept carelessness, then gets religion for a few games before repeating.

Hagg was the 7th D-man starting the season, Prosser #8 b/c it's not a role for Zamula or Hogberg (who need to be where they are, playing in the AHL on a regular basis).

Not his fault Gus couldn't figure it out (credit him for trying to play defense, but he's so focused on not making a mistake it's stifled his offense and leads him to paralysis by analysis, he's thinking too much instead of reacting). Or that Ghost keeps putting himself into the doghouse.

The one thing I don't understand is pairing Hagg and Braun, butt ugly. Hagg was pretty solid paired with Ghost, in fact, Ghost has played better with Hagg than any other partner the last three years:

Hagg - Ghost, CF 50.44%, xGF 52.66%, xGFrel +3.27
Provorov - Ghost, CF 49.04%, xGF 49.33%, xGFrel +0.61
Ghost - Myers, CF 50.55%, xGF 44.08%, xGFrel -4.17
Ghost - Braun, CF 48.55%, xGF 48.96%, xGFrel -1.60

Just shows you the importance of "fit."
Of course, Hagg - Ghost are probably more sheltered on the 3rd pair, but Ghost has still played better with Hagg than any other partner.

Much rather ride Ghost through his struggles than play Hagg.

Not putting Ghost in for Hagg in Game 7 vs the Islanders was the most egregious for me.

 

[Adtar02]

The thing I like most about Sam's game is that he isn't Hagg. So if he were to force him down the depth chart, then great.

I also got caught up in the emotion over his interview, so go big guy.

Really happy for Morin. And really liked his play the last two games. Playing with in himself. Pretty good timing. And crazy long reach

 

[renberg]

Much rather ride Ghost through his struggles than play Hagg.

Not putting Ghost in for Hagg in Game 7 vs the Islanders was the most egregious for me.

I think that the Isles would have targeted Ghost and beat him into the ice like the Penguins did several years ago. SG's game doesn't hold up well against physical forecheckers.

 

[mize370]

Too bad Sam probably gets scratched once Hagg is healthy. D rotation and all. Ugh

 

[GagneHanson12]

love it. Shame the league has gone the way of wanting 18 Simon Gagne's on every roster.

I'd rather 18 Gagne-s over 18 Morin-s and I am not biased at all

 

[Hextallent63]

By 24-25, players aren't going to change much physically.
It comes down to mental skills.

All Hagg has to do to be a competent defenseman is to play within himself. He's not going to evolve into a top 4 defenseman, he could learn to play under control and reduce his mistakes. He seemed to be doing that before he got hurt, was it a fluke? Who knows?

Sanheim physically is probably close to maxed out, he's not going to add a lot more strength unless he's a freak, he's not going to get faster, etc. So again, mental part of the game, can he play more under control in his D-zone and anticipate the pressure? Sanheim and Myers started giving up scoring chances in the D-zone in the playoffs, I think HCs saw they'll make mistakes under pressure and have turned up the heat this season. Now it's up to them to respond.

Mike knuble is an example of what kind of advances players can make at a post prospect/ advanced age. Better decisions, technique, hockey is stuff that can be taught, etc.

 

[Beef Invictus]

By 24-25, players aren't going to change much physically.
It comes down to mental skills.

All Hagg has to do to be a competent defenseman is to play within himself. He's not going to evolve into a top 4 defenseman, he could learn to play under control and reduce his mistakes. He seemed to be doing that before he got hurt, was it a fluke? Who knows?

Sanheim physically is probably close to maxed out, he's not going to add a lot more strength unless he's a freak, he's not going to get faster, etc. So again, mental part of the game, can he play more under control in his D-zone and anticipate the pressure? Sanheim and Myers started giving up scoring chances in the D-zone in the playoffs, I think HCs saw they'll make mistakes under pressure and have turned up the heat this season. Now it's up to them to respond.

Hagg IS playing within himself most of the time. He's just really bad.