More likely to win an NHL scoring title - Matthews or Marner?

[authentic]

Matthews. Marner does not have that upside. Matthews definitely does.

My guess is neither will win an Art Ross with McDavid in the league and healthy but I would bet on Matthews remaining the clearly better offensive player.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I don't believe he will, although it wouldn't be totally outlandish if he did either. Matthews has scored at a higher pace than Marner in each of their first two seasons while being leaned on more heavily and facing tougher competition, not sure why so many insist Marner will be the better point producer.

Matthews is a man. Marner is still getting stronger. As he got stronger he got better. A full year with an elite center and top PP time will mean he is nearing 100 pts.

 

[authentic]

Matthews is a man. Marner is still getting stronger. As he got stronger he got better. A full year with an elite center and top PP time will mean he is nearing 100 pts.

I hope you're right and like I said I wouldn't rule him out of becoming the slightly better point producer, but people are really underrating Matthews' potential if they are betting on Marner becoming a flat out better offensive player, IMO. Wait until he gets a full healthy season now (knock on wood) with more PP usage and not glued to Hyman, I think big things could happen. He has not reached his peak ability yet either despite being developed physically.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Marner will outscore Matthews this season.

Maybe if Matthews misses 20 games again

 

[Kamiccolo]

Maybe if Matthews misses 20 games again

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

you're expecting 90 points from Marner at worst? Well I'd love to see it but that's a bit much

 

[ole ole]

Marner.

If your talking most points.....Marner has the best shot of the two.. Matthews will never win an Art Ross.He isn't good enough.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I think the issue is the confusion between whether or not the OP is talking about the Art Ross or the Rocket.

Either way it’s Matthews lol

 

[BananaSquad]

Matthews easily.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

90 as a floor for a guy who has yet to hit 70. Seems reasonable.

 

[Master P]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

 

[Sky04]

I don't see why Matthews couldn't be in the ballpark of a player like Malkin with better linemates/more PP time.

Because Malkin is a significantly more talented player with a wider range in skillset than Matthews.

 

[Hunter368]

AM maybe for Rocket.....maybe.

Art Ross......neither have a chance.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

Yep, no over the top expectations here.

 

[Plural]

Matthews.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Don't see either one that upside but Marner probably more likely.

 

[Skolman]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

Embarrassing

 

[Volica]

Neither has this type of upside.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How are we bringing up Matthews playmaking ability and assist total?

Dude plays with Hyman....who...is a very useful hockey player but a finisher he is not.

Babcock has said it will be Marleau Matthews Nylander next year so expect those assist totals to sky rocket

 

[StoneHands]

Babcock has said it will be Marleau Matthews Nylander next year so expect those assist totals to sky rocket

Why would replacing a 40 point player with a 45-50 point player make Matthews' assist totals sky rocket? Marleau and Hyman had the exact same ES points last season. I know Marleau is a sexy name so it looks great on paper but he's not the player he once was and I wouldn't expect a 39 year old to have some big resurgence.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why would replacing a 40 point player with a 45-50 point player make Matthews' assist totals sky rocket? Marleau and Hyman had the exact same ES points last season. I know Marleau is a sexy name so it looks great on paper but he's not the player he once was and I wouldn't expect a 39 year old to have some big resurgence.

Unlike Hyman Marleau can finish, his 27 goals last season prove that

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Nope not what I meant. Matthews will always be the better goal scorer. I am expecting maybe 85-88 point year from him. Marner I am expecting 90 as a floor with 95-100 being a reality.

And you say Leafs fans never overrate their players.

 

[StoneHands]

Unlike Hyman Marleau can finish, his 27 goals last season prove that

So I assume you also agree that Matthews goal totals will go down then, right? You can't have it both ways and say that Marleau is going to help his assist totals because he can score but not agree that his goal scoring will probably go down playing with a guy that's averaged less than 12 ES assists a year over the last 3 seasons instead of Hyman who has averaged almost twice as many. I think playing with Marleau will be a good thing for Matthews and I think he has a great year but I think people get a little carried away when reading name Marleau because they instantly think of a high end top line player but that's just not what he is anymore.

 

[newfy]

I like how people assume Matthews will never put up big assist totals. The kid has played 2 seasons but everyone is very certain what he can't do.

Stamkos had more goals than assists pretty much every year until this past season. Then he put up 27 goals, 59 assists. Players adapt and change. Usage and linemates change.

I dont think anyone has said that he wont put up big assist totals, just that they likely wont ever be high enough to win the art ross. If he changes his game enough that he becomes a playmaker moreso, I doubt his goals stay where they are at. Even Stamkos in his firt 3 seasons put up 44 and 46 assists. Matthews evenback then played differently from Stamkos though.

I think without Hyman, Matthews would get more assists. But it looks like he still might be playing with him for a bit. He also doesnt play a game that makes me think hes going to be a big playmaker though. Hes in around the net doing things that goalscorers do.

 

[Kamiccolo]

And you say Leafs fans never overrate their players.

You said the same thing when people said they would take the Leafs to the playoffs. When he does it I expect you to do the same as before and just go missing and never bring it up again.