Monty's next contract

[Paul4587]

There’s been a few articles written by the athletic. Any subscribers feel like shedding some light on those?

Any particular one you saw you wanted a breakdown of?

 

[Duck Off]

Any particular one you saw you wanted a breakdown of?

the one that he tweeted about last comes to mind. The Tweet says "Montour doesn't see his new bridge deal with the Ducks as an impediment to a longer future with the club". just curious if there's anything interesting in there that we don't already know.

also, should give props where it's due. I think ES was first one to break the Montour signing. he hasn't done much news breaking in recent memory.

 

[caliamad]

the arbitration is a good point. I personally think that the deal he got is definitely more than he would have been awarded in the arbitration case. I think he would have been given a 2-2.5 aav on a 2 year deal by the arbitrator at most. The question is, is the extra money worth avoiding arbitration? Clearly Murray thought it was, and I can fully understand why he would feel that way.

Arbitration is reportedly a very nasty thing. Usually players are criticized to the point of wanting to leave as soon as they have ufa.

If I was the gm, I would pay a bit extra not to spill blood.

 

[duckpuck]

There’s been a few articles written by the athletic. Any subscribers feel like shedding some light on those?

As a subscriber, I can confirm they are good articles. You should subscribe too, so that the website (which has a on of other good content) stays in business.

 

[Paul4587]

the one that he tweeted about last comes to mind. The Tweet says "Montour doesn't see his new bridge deal with the Ducks as an impediment to a longer future with the club". just curious if there's anything interesting in there that we don't already know.

also, should give props where it's due. I think ES was first one to break the Montour signing. he hasn't done much news breaking in recent memory.

Honestly it didn’t have a hell of a lot more than the article on the Ducks site. Stephens did mention the Ducks certainly weren’t willing to pay him more than Manson at this point which I guess is a big reason why Montour is willing to take the short term and bet on himself. The article did mention all terms were considered but implied it was always going to be a short deal. There was a comment from Murray that he found it hard to find good comparables to Montour due to his sample of games played.

 

[DaGeneral]

As a subscriber, I can confirm they are good articles. You should subscribe too, so that the website (which has a on of other good content) stays in business.

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[Masch78]

With a student email it’s only $30. I used mine and I graduated in 2009. God I’m old

I graduated from college in 2002, what should I say ;-)

 

[mightyquack]

He’s really backing himself, I like his attitude in that article. I think he will get paid in a couple of years. I wonder which one of our top 4 we will expose when Seattle comes about.

I expect we'll end up cutting a deal so Seattle don't pick any of our top 4. But gun to head - having to pick one of our top 4 to be exposed, you'd have to say Fowler would be the odd one out (especially with his near NMC-esque contract). But like I said, I expect we'll end up cutting a deal.

 

[Not So Mighty]

He’s really backing himself, I like his attitude in that article. I think he will get paid in a couple of years. I wonder which one of our top 4 we will expose when Seattle comes about.

They'd be fools to expose any of them. Either trade one away or cut a deal with Seattle.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I expect we'll end up cutting a deal so Seattle don't pick any of our top 4. But gun to head - having to pick one of our top 4 to be exposed, you'd have to say Fowler would be the odd one out (especially with his near NMC-esque contract). But like I said, I expect we'll end up cutting a deal.

At that point there's a chance we have a decent gap between how we value the 4 D and whoever would be the odd forward out in a 4+4+1 scenario.

 

[Paul4587]

They'd be fools to expose any of them. Either trade one away or cut a deal with Seattle.

Cutting deals cost a lot of teams in the Vegas draft. I think most teams are just going to let Seattle take one guy.

 

[Not So Mighty]

Cutting deals cost a lot of teams in the Vegas draft. I think most teams are just going to let Seattle take one guy.

Which is why they should trade one of them for a protect worthy forward and/or futures.

 

[Trojans86]

Trade one of them for a young, high end center prospect and let some of our young defensemen fight it out for a d spot. If we moved Fowler that would free up a ton of cap to resign our guys.

 

[bsu]

Fowler would be my choice to be moved if it was after this season

 

[Paul4587]

Fowler is untradable due to his almost full NTC. He is however able to be exposed in an expansion draft. Depending on how the next two years go it could be a good way to get out from under that contract.

 

[Dirk316]

Montour and Fowler are similar pretty much

 

[Pennaduck]

Fowler is untradable due to his almost full NTC. He is however able to be exposed in an expansion draft. Depending on how the next two years go it could be a good way to get out from under that contract.

It would be a shame to lose a guy who would have been on the team for something like ten years by that point and still signed for more, but it may end up being the best financial option given the fact that we will likely have multiple younger players fighting for minutes on the left side of our defense by then. It's pretty far out to say right now but exposing him may not be the worst of all of our options. I wouldn't like seeing his tenure in Anaheim end that way though and would prefer to trade him or someone else if whatever we would get back would be exempt from the expansion draft. We may not be hampered by NMC as much this time around but we will likely have more core players that will need protection so I think I would still prefer to see Murray do a deal with Seattle.

Montour and Fowler are similar pretty much

Similar in some respects for sure, but different in a very big way. Montour is a RHD which we have few of in our system, while Fowler is LHD. We already have Lindholm holding down top pairing minutes on that side, with Larsson, Pettersson, and Mahura in the pipeline. I'm sure those guys could be slotted on the right side easily enough but if even two of them have become everyday NHLers by the time the draft rolls around it might give Murray a financial reason (cap savings) to move Fowler or expose him in the draft.

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out once it is time. I just hope this time around he is not shy about buyouts because I would hate to see a protected spot be used on Perry if the draft is before the last year of his contract. Kesler too for that matter, but that could be a whole different thing given his injury status.

 

[Trojans86]

I am guessing they could buy out Perry and Kesler so they dont have to waste a protected spot. At that point it wont be as much of a buy out.

 

[Daz28]

As sick as the Lindholm-Manson pairing is, Lindholm-Montour and Fowler-Manson gives both pairings a strong puck-carrying defenseman and a strong shutdown defenseman. They're all pretty good defensively as well as can contribute offensively but I think having both of our top shutdown defensemen on the same line made it hard for Monty and Fowler to really free up their offensive tendencies.

Hampus and Josh are like Tallinder-Lydman. No reason to ever break them up unless a miracle happens when one is injured. Does suck having Cam with Monty tho. In this era though, who knows. They def want another Bieksa not Bieksa to put beside Cam. Where's that leave Monty tho?? Seems like a prob for a coach more modern than RC to negotiate.

 

[Daz28]

Hampus and Josh are like Tallinder-Lydman. No reason to ever break them up unless a miracle happens when one is injured. Does suck having Cam with Monty tho. In this era though, who knows. They def want another Bieksa not Bieksa to put beside Cam. Where's that leave Monty tho?? Seems like a prob for a Coach more modern than RC to negotiate.

Just plain lol that Fowlers contract could be an albatross, and that Monty and Fowler are similar. If Monty learns to play suck ya in and pass it off like Fowler the league would create an illegal defense rule. No one in the league makes the forward go to the least favorable spot on the ice before he passes it off than Cam. That's why he's the most boring 3 on 3 player there is, even though we know he can pinch very well.

 

[Trojans86]

I've been a huge proponent of Lindholm Monty pairing since they were so dominant together 2 post seasons ago but I will say Lindholm Manson was completely dominant last year and Fowler Montour started to really look crazy dangerous offensively last year at the end when they started clicking. Fowler Montour was super fun to watch and they played this hyper aggressive style that teams didn't know how to defend against because they both were so aggressive to move the puck up but both could get back in time to cover defensively. I'd be curious to see how that pairing evolves because their potential together is very very high

 

[DaGeneral]

I've been a huge proponent of Lindholm Monty pairing since they were so dominant together 2 post seasons ago but I will say Lindholm Manson was completely dominant last year and Fowler Montour started to really look crazy dangerous offensively last year at the end when they started clicking. Fowler Montour was super fun to watch and they played this hyper aggressive style that teams didn't know how to defend against because they both were so aggressive to move the puck up but both could get back in time to cover defensively. I'd be curious to see how that pairing evolves because their potential together is very very high

I agree. For a second pairing, Fowler Montour is solid. Montour has a little bully in him, so I wouldn’t be concerned about toughness. Between Schenn, the other gentle giant, Pettersson and Larsson I think they’ll find a solid bottom pair.

Hopefully our offense can score enough

 

[imjustzach]

I've been a huge proponent of Lindholm Monty pairing since they were so dominant together 2 post seasons ago but I will say Lindholm Manson was completely dominant last year and Fowler Montour started to really look crazy dangerous offensively last year at the end when they started clicking. Fowler Montour was super fun to watch and they played this hyper aggressive style that teams didn't know how to defend against because they both were so aggressive to move the puck up but both could get back in time to cover defensively. I'd be curious to see how that pairing evolves because their potential together is very very high

I definitely agree that watching the Fowler-Monty transition game last year was exhilarating. I guess my main concern is that the Fowler-Monty pairing lacks size and they were punished for it.

Fowler is a technique-first defenseman who excels at taking good angles and Monty plays a surprisingly heavy game for his size. That being said, they had trouble clearing the front of the net and that was a weakness that was very apparent last season.

 

[Daz28]

I've been a huge proponent of Lindholm Monty pairing since they were so dominant together 2 post seasons ago but I will say Lindholm Manson was completely dominant last year and Fowler Montour started to really look crazy dangerous offensively last year at the end when they started clicking. Fowler Montour was super fun to watch and they played this hyper aggressive style that teams didn't know how to defend against because they both were so aggressive to move the puck up but both could get back in time to cover defensively. I'd be curious to see how that pairing evolves because their potential together is very very high

It could be a trend setting pairing, but we don't have the management to make that happen(think Housley). Bob said he wants another Josh, I presume to fit beside Cam. If Cam-Monty is in stink, then we're a scary team alone on our top 4. Just overconfident management won't even let it happen.

The Ducks have survived on cycle and set plays forever. Josh-Hampus; Cam-Monty will keep our set play style good for years.