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to Calgary:
Artturi Lehkonen
Ryan Poehling
Victor Mete
Charlie Lindgren
to Montreal:
Noah Hanifin
Sam Bennett
Artturi Lehkonen
Ryan Poehling
Victor Mete
Charlie Lindgren
to Montreal:
Noah Hanifin
Sam Bennett
to Calgary:
Artturi Lehkonen
Ryan Poehling
Victor Mete
Charlie Lindgren
to Montreal:
Noah Hanifin
Sam Bennett
montreal doesn't touch thisto Calgary:
Artturi Lehkonen
Ryan Poehling
Victor Mete
Charlie Lindgren
to Montreal:
Noah Hanifin
Sam Bennett
to Calgary:
Artturi Lehkonen
Ryan Poehling
Victor Mete
Charlie Lindgren
to Montreal:
Noah Hanifin
Sam Bennett
Let's break this done into pieces.
Lindgren - value is very very low. I'll remove him for now.
Poehling + Lehkonen for Bennett
and
Mete for Hanifan
I dunno. Bennett has a lot of untapped potential but Hanifan is a clear upgrade for what Montreal needs most. I really don't like this trade from Montreal's perspective but would have to reluctantly say yes. Calgary those would likely say no for the same reason.
Something based around Mete+ for Hanifan probably makes more sense for both.
Lehkonen has been better than Bennett for the past 3 years + this year. He's also better defensively and we're adding Peohling on top of that?
Both hanifin and mete are 2nd pairing defensemen right now while mete is a year younger (and much cheaper) no point in trading the two. The whole point of getting LHD is to ADD to what we have not remove a top4 for another top 4 when it isn't a significant difference. Even if you think Hanifin is better, the difference is not Peohling, not even close when you consider lehkonen is better than bennett.
This is just this year though, i don't have access to the previous years. Hanifin is obviously better offensively, but Mete is a year younger and has improved every year. He's already a 2nd pairing d as a 21 year old and he still has a lot of room to grow. I'd love to get Hanifin but right now he isn't a 1st pairing guy which is what we need. He has the potential to be a top pairing guy eventually but it's not at the cost of mete (who also has the potential to be a top pairing d) + peohlingAgree to disagree on this one. Hanifan is more of a low level 2d imho, I do believe the difference is Poehling between him and Mete.
This is just this year though, i don't have access to the previous years. Hanifin is obviously better offensively, but Mete is a year younger and has improved every year. He's already a 2nd pairing d as a 21 year old and he still has a lot of room to grow. I'd love to get Hanifin but right now he isn't a 1st pairing guy which is what we need. He has the potential to be a top pairing guy eventually but it's not at the cost of mete (who also has the potential to be a top pairing d) + peohling
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As a Flames fan, I say no. I’d want Kotka for Hanifin.
I get what you are saying but those heat maps don't say quite what you think they do.
1) Bill Peters vs CJ
2) Harmonic vs Petry/Julien
First thing I noticed in the heat maps is that the biggest difference comes from the areas where the centreman comes back to support.
Honestly with how different the teams are and how different the systems are, WOWY would probably be a better representation.
(Also, my phone auto corrects the name harmonic so I'm too lazy today to fix it lol
Bill Peters is one of the better coaches in the league. He had calgary 1st in the west last year and has always had strong possession teams. Calgary was actually better defensively than mtl last year and for the most part have brought back the same team. Mtl as well hasnt had major changes in personel. Analytics community by and large know raditional wowy stats are quite misleading. Using wowy numbers on drasaitl for example would paint him as a much worse player than he actually is. Mete has been on the 1st pairing facing the toughest matchups for most of the season, yet mete's has had better defensive metrics. Mete leads the team in +/- with a +9 while hanifin is 2nd worse on his team with a -11(if you believe in plus and minus) historically, hanifin has not played tough minutes and has never been great defensively. Mete has started almost 58% of his shifts (not counting on the fly shifts) in the defensive and still puts up strong numbers. Hanifin is around 55% so he is facing difficult zone starts as well but is not doing as well in them. Mete has a 10.62 xGA while Hanifin has a 14.99 xGA. You can still say hanifin is better if you like but he is not a 1st pairing guy and if im trading mete its for a top pairing d since mete right now is an above average to good #4 and being only 21 and the fact he has improved every season shows he has the potential to be more.
And I'd like Monahan for Kulak but it ain't happening
Danault for HanifinHanifin is already a very promising young #2 dman, who can grow into a #1. We’re not trading him for anything short of a topline C or a player that has very likely potential to be that.
Mete + Poehling Vs HanifinLet's break this done into pieces.
Lindgren - value is very very low. I'll remove him for now.
Poehling + Lehkonen for Bennett
and
Mete for Hanifan
I dunno. Bennett has a lot of untapped potential but Hanifan is a clear upgrade for what Montreal needs most. I really don't like this trade from Montreal's perspective but would have to reluctantly say yes. Calgary those would likely say no for the same reason.
Something based around Mete+ for Hanifan probably makes more sense for both.
Hanifin is a number 2? Really?Hanifin is already a very promising young #2 dman, who can grow into a #1. We’re not trading him for anything short of a topline C or a player that has very likely potential to be that.