Montoya vs. Dubnyk vs. Schwarz

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  1. O.T.

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    How would you rank these three goalies in order of who is better now, and also who will be better in the future. I have only seen Montoya and Schwarz play during the WJC for their respective countries. I have never seen Dubnyk play though, I am really hoping for a Dubnyk to play for Canada at this years WJC. That way I could see first hand, even if it is limited exposure, how these goalies stack up against each other in a pressure packed situation.

    If any of you have seen these goalies play please feel free to describe how they play and a quick scouting report would be great.
     
  2. Vyse64

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    now
    Montoya
    Dubnyk
    Schwarz

    future how should i know check back in 5 years
     
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    I see it this way:

    Now:

    Schwarz
    Montoya
    Dubnyk

    Potential:

    Schwarz
    Dubnyk
    Montoya
     
  4. Can anyone tell me more about Dubnyk? Like where he plays, his style? All I know is that he's 6'5.
     
  5. R u an Oilers fan? At least u seem honest (not that I agree, just that u obviously like Shwarz better than the other two, now and in the future and u'r not putting Dubnyk ahead of him even though ur team drafted him).
     
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    Its interesting when all three have diffrent style. Wouldn´t be suprised if a goalie with outstanding reflexes like Schwarz gets the advantage if there is a crackdown on goalies equipment...
     
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    Or Dubnyk due to his size..... (plus he's still growing)
     
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    Now:

    Schwarz
    Montoya
    Dubnyk

    Same for future.

    Teams will look back in 5 years and be betaing themselves up over NOT picking Schwarz.

    He fell in the draft because he is ONLY 6'00 180
     
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    what he said
     
  11. Hunter Gathers

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    Bull.

    He fell because he can't handle the puck worth anything, skates like he has bricks tied to his ankles, and really needs to work on his mental game. He's also small.

    He has all-world talents, but he is easily rattled in games. His skating is VERY bad news, but that can be taught. The most I worry about is his consistency.

    Rankings:

    Now

    1) Montoya
    2) Schwarz
    3) Dubnyk

    Potential

    1) Schwarz
    2) Montoya
    3) Dubnyk
     
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    Comparisons

    Schwarz - Slower Hasek
    Montoya - Richter (with a little more reliance on standing up, but he still has the butterfly skills)
    Dubnyk - Kirk McLean
     
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  14. outKast*

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    I am a leafs fan, and here's a NON -biased answer: Devan Dubnyk has higher potential than both Montoya and Schwartz. If you don't want to listen to me...here's a link to his playing style and overall analysis.

    http://www.nflcflfutures.com/Slam030804/chl_u18a-sun.html

    The Edmonton Oilers thought they had no chance on Dubnyk because in their eyes, he was the BEST goaltender in the whole draft. Devan Dubnyk is a student of the game. He studies players and their tendencies like Patrick Roy (who had a very bad career and should have played in the AHL. Right fellas). When Devan spreads into his butterfly, his pads cover the whole crease and his head is still above the net. This guy is huge and will be a big star in the making. Right now i only rank him behind Fleury, Lethonen, Miller and Emery in overall goaltending abilities. He has a high potential.
     
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    Youre a leafs fan?? I could swear you were an Oilers fan...
     
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    i live in ontario and i am a die hard leafs fan. my family is full of Oiler fans. i hang around the Oilers board a lot because i can't stand leafs fans. I tell them that i think Tellqvist will be a backup in the NHL and they're all over me and call me a troll. It's simple things like that want me to not be in contact with other leaf fans. I can't stand that board.
     
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    I think all three will be great goalies.

    The only thing keeping Dubnyk and Schwarz out of the range of Montoya, IMHO, is that both lack consistency and seem to get easily rattled or lose their concentration.

    Montoya has stepped up at every level consistently.
     
  18. Thanks, I guess I got mixed up w/ Grier. He was w/ the Oilers for a while, and I forgot that he played for the Caps a couple of years.
     
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    IMHO. coming from a Thrashers fan, Al Montoya was one of the most hyped up players in the drafte because of 1 tournament. Michigan is known for being a tight defensive team, thus inflating his stats making him look better than what he is (hello Mr. Brodeur - except Brodeur is actually pretty good). Dont get me wrong, he does have talent or else he would not have gotten drafted that high, but mark my word - he will never be as good as what most of you people think. Dubnyk stole the show a few times this year for Kamloops, and was the best goalie at the top prospects game.

    Dubnyk
    Schwarz (close between him and Dubnyk)
    Montoya
     
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    Exactly, IMO while Montoya may not have the same potential as the other goalies, he is the most consistent, sound and safest bet. He reminds me of Kipprusoff, not in style but their ability to remain calm and get better with every challenge. I feel Schwarz, who IMO is the most talented is undersized and his style may not work in the NHL, and Dubnyk is just as much of a long shot.IMO all 3 could be great but the latter 2 have a lot of consistency issues IMO
     
  21. I know I'll be a Benedict Arnold now, but C'MON, puck handling is the most overrated part of being a goalie. It's a nice bonus, but the goalie's main job is to stop the puck. Shwarz is in good shape if the reason he fell is because he can't play the puck. I find it funny that now that we have a goalie that can play the puck u make it seem like it's so important. Blackburn+Richter=couldn't handle the puck (at least not that well), yet I bet b4 Montoya u would've said it doesn't matter. How well did Roy (who I hate) handle the puck? Oh and there might be rules limiting puck handling anyway.
     
  22. Oilers fan? :shakehead (Pretty obvious w/ Dubnyk being first, don't care that Montoya is last).
     
  23. degroat*

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    So because the Oilers had him first on their draft board he's got the best goaltender in the whole draft? With all dues respect to the Oilers, they seem to be pretty much alone in that assessment.

    As for his size... is there a single tall, lanky goaltender in the league that doesn't have a problem with his 5-hole? Longer legs = Big 5 hole.
     
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    The guy does make a good point. Mich is a pretty tight team and a good system it could inflate someone's potential, like Labarbera last year, (c'mon AHL mvp my foot). I think also Butterfly goalies get to show off by stats, which can be more of a reflection of a team than the actual goalie which is tough, but a guy like Schwarz is judged by his skills alone.
     
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