MLD 2019 Draft Thread

tinyzombies

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Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, D

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Harry Sinden said:
There were three defensemen on the two Soviet teams who would win the Norris Trophy in our league - Fetisov and Kasatonov of the Central Army team and Bilyaletdinov of the Dynamo​
Boston Globe - January 12, 1986

Sinden was talking about the 1981 and 1984 Canada Cups

The Bilyaldetdinov-Pervukhin pairing was the USSR's second great pairing for almost a decade, behind Fetisov-Kasatonov.

Bilyaletdinov was a six-time IIHF World Championship gold medalist for the Soviet Union. He also won the Olympic gold medal in Sarajevo in 1984 and was part of the Soviet squad which captured the 1981 Canada Cup. Bilyaletdinov also played in the 1976 and 1984 Canada Cups.

Considering the Soviet Union of Bilyaletdinov's era was stronger than it ever was, and that you could make a very plausible argument that its top end talent was just as good as Canada's, minus Gretzky and Lemieux, it's quite obvious to me that the USSR was a hell of lot more than just the Green Unit at this time.

He played aggressive, hard hitting shut down hockey

1981

As most of us know, a young Gretzky, in the midst of a then-record-breaking 164 point season but several years away from being "a winner" was frustrated through the first two periods of the game, as the USSR entered the third period with a 3-1 lead. In the third period, the USSR blew out Canada for an 8-1 final victory, but things could have been very different if Gretzky had got going. This is widely considered the worst loss in the history of Canadian hockey.

He got into a rare fight at the World Championships

http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/last-days-of-the-dynamo/

Notice the inclusion of Bilyaletdinov and not Pervukhin as a "legendary player" of the club.

An "ancient" 31 year old Bilyaletdinov was added to a declining Soviet Club in 1987, out of desperation.

There is a feeling among long-time international observers that the Soviet program is in a state of transition, both in style and personnel. Although the Soviets have been playing hockey for 40 years, their game may be experiencing its first growing pains.

In one move interpreted as desperation, 31-year-old Zinetula Bilyaletdinov was added to the touring squad shortly before the Soviets left for Quebec, although he hadn't qualfied for the national squad in years. (For the Soviets, 30 is nearly ancient in hockey terms. Once past that "golden" age, players are routinely farmed out or given coaching duties.)

The pool of young talent has evidently dried up. The Soviets went victoryless in the recent fight-filled junior championships. [Alan Eagleson] said he couldn't recall seeing a worse collection of Soviet
juniors.​
-Providence Journal, Feb 14, 1987

History appears to view him as better than his partner, Pervukhin

-Longterm hfboards poster and fan of Soviet hockey Peter25 told me via PM that there is "no doubt" Bilyaletdinov was a better player than Pervukhin (and he's a big fan of both men).

-Dynamo Moscow was one of the most famous clubs in Russia, dating back to the old USSR. They sadly folded last year.
 
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My final selection in the 2019 MLD will add yet another pest to my bench to go along with Sandstrom. I could plug the two of them onto the 4th line with Bridgman if I wanted to take Nilsson and Hedberg out occasionally. I imagine they would drive opponents absolutely nuts. Known to play with heart and determination, he adds leadership and some solid defensive play and can be brought in as a penalty killing specialist as well if need be.

Bio:

ATD 2011 Draft Thread VII
 

VanIslander

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Jeff Carter is a natural center who is a RW/C when you look at the best parts of his career.

Carter was Mike Richards wingman in Philly and the duo clicked, giving both their best NHL seasons, including Carter's 46-goal, 84-point season.

Carter as MR's right winger scored in the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals.

Every Philly fan remembers the day MR and JC were broken up, MR traded to LA where he struggled to score until at the trade deadline LA re-acquired Carter and the duo helped LA win its first Stanley Cup, Carter on RW scoring a couple of big 2012 Stanley Cup final goals including the eventual winner (each assisted by MR).

Carter was on the pp in Philly and LA as a RW (with Richards).

It wasn't until Richard's offense dried up and was demoted to the 3rd line that coach Sutter put Carter back at his childhood position of center.

Coach Babcock put Carter on Toews right wing for the Olympics top checking line (two-way 2nd line with Marleau) and Carter scored more points than any other Canadian forward, including assisting on Toews eventual gold-clinching goal in the final.

Carter is a RW/C clearly.

One would have to have a blackout about half his career otherwise.

On RW he had a 7-year stretch in goal scoring comparable to Alex Mogilny and Patrick Kane, according to vs.x, which some around here cite often as evidence. I just checked and his 10-year goal scoring is smack between Kariya and Kessel, and Carter brings more defensively than any of the aforementioned. So, as a responsible two-way goal-scoring right winger, Carter is a good pick at the MLD level.
 
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The Blades select J.P. Parise, the left winger renowned for his work ethic, digging pucks out of corners, backchecking and always hustling, contributing 20+ goals seven times over a decade in which he went to two all-star games (6th in NHL assists in 1970) and the 1972 Summit Series, where he played on the penalty kill and the Esposito line, scoring 2 goals and 2 assists and in Game 8, after the refs sent multiple Canadians to the penalty box, J.P. raised his stick as if to swing at the ref, firing up his teammates to press on. Parise was an alternate captain in Minnesota for most of his years there. He actually impressed offensively when the 33 year old went to New York and was the team leader for the Islanders in playoff goals, 2nd in playoff points on a run that came within minutes of the Stanley Cup Finals, pushing the defending Stanley Cup champion Broadstreet Bullies to Game 7 after Parise himself scored the overtime deciding last game, series-clinching goal against the rival Rangers earlier in those playoffs. The following postseason as an Isle he scored 10 playoff points (top winger in NY, 3rd in team scoring) in a second round exit as they were beaten by a Habs team that began their dynasty that year. Parise is an all-time great role player deserving of ATD 4th line duty or MLD top line corner man work.


Legends of Hockey said:
... a deceptive strength that he channeled, in its full force, onto the bodies of his opponents as he consistently out-dueled them for loose pucks.... his game of bulling, pushing, forcing mistakes, and outworking his opponents.... the four-wheeled drive of the Stars' attack... carried his pick, shovel and lunch pail to work each night to dig for pucks and to score clutch goals from time to time.
 
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Clem Loughlin, D


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From TDMM's bio

•1st Team PCHA All Star in 1924
•2nd Team PCHA All Star in 1921, 1922, 1923
•Captain of the 1925 Victoria Cougars, the*only WCHL team to win the Stanley Cup
•First captain of the Detroit Cougars, predecessor to the Detroit Red Wings
•Played in the World Championships for Canada in 1935

LOH said:
*Clement Loughlin played briefly with the Detroit Cougars and Chicago Black Hawks in the late 20s. He was a solid positional player who used his hard shot to score a few goals over the years. Most of his pro hockey was played in the PCHA where the more wide-open style suited his talents.

Born in Carroll, Manitoba Loughlin played senior hockey with the Winnipeg Monarchs and Strathconas before joining the PCHA's Portland Rosebuds in 1916-17. After one more year in Oregon, he joined the Victoria Cougars and was an integral part of the club's fortunes for eight years. Along the way he hit double figures in goals scored twice, was placed on the PCHA second all-star team three times and named to the first team in 1924. In 1925 he got his hands on the Stanley Cup after the Cougars vanquished the Montreal Canadiens in the final series. Loughlin remained with Victoria when it joined the WCHL/WHL after the demise of the PCHA.

In May, 1926, Loughlin became a member of the Detroit Cougars after the entire Victoria team was purchased by the NHL expansion club. He provided stability on defence for two years in Motown before he was sent to the Chicago Black Hawks for cash. After playing 24 games in the Windy City in 1928-29, Loughlin spent the rest of the schedule with the Kitchener Millionaires of the Can-Pro League.
 
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Shmyr and Loughlin were good picks. Glad they didn't slip through.

So many defensemen left who I like better than like half the guys who were picked... Might as well stick to the Soviet them of my defense. Pick coming in a little bit.
 

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I'll pick two way defenseman, Vasili Pervukhin, D.

Pervukhin was paired with Zinetula Bilyaletdinov (just selected) on the second Soviet pairing in the 1980s. His time on the national team stretched from 1976 to 1989, basically when the USSR at its peak.

Most North Americans seem to prefer Bilyaletdinov, perhaps because he played a hard hitting physical "North American" game. But his Pervukhin actually has superior awards recognition.

Pervukhin is one of only 3 defensemen (Fetisov, Vasiliev) to finish top 5 in Soviet Player of the year voting more than once (5th place finishes in 1977 and 1985). Strangely, other defensemen finished ahead of him in All-Star voting those years. Pervukhin was also a 1st Team Soviet League All-Star in 1979, when we don't have records of Player of the Year voting. Long story short, he's the only "golden era" Soviet defenseman remaining to receive a fair amount of awards voting.

Full bio: ATD 2012 - Draft Thread VII
 

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vanislander said:
Jeff Carter is a natural center who is a RW/C when you look at the best parts of his career.

Carter was Mike Richards wingman in Philly and the duo clicked, giving both their best NHL seasons, including Carter's 46-goal, 84-point season.

Carter as MR's right winger scored in the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals.

Every Philly fan remembers the day MR and JC were broken up, MR traded to LA where he struggled to score until at the trade deadline LA re-acquired Carter and the duo helped LA win its first Stanley Cup, Carter on RW scoring a couple of big 2012 Stanley Cup final goals including the eventual winner (each assisted by MR).

Carter was on the pp in Philly and LA as a RW (with Richards).

It wasn't until Richard's offense dried up and was demoted to the 3rd line that coach Sutter put Carter back at his childhood position of center.

Coach Babcock put Carter on Toews right wing for the Olympics top checking line (two-way 2nd line with Marleau) and Carter scored more points than any other Canadian forward, including assisting on Toews eventual gold-clinching goal in the final.

Carter is a RW/C clearly.

One would have to have a blackout about half his career otherwise.

On RW he had a 7-year stretch in goal scoring comparable to Alex Mogilny and Patrick Kane, according to vs.x, which some around here cite often as evidence. I just checked and his 10-year goal scoring is smack between Kariya and Kessel, and Carter brings more defensively than any of the aforementioned. So, as a responsible two-way goal-scoring right winger, Carter is a good pick at the MLD level.
In 2008-09, for a right winger playing with MR, Carter sure took a lot of faceoffs! He sure placed really highly in center Allstar voting for a right winger (6th), and I must be missing him on the list for RW Allstar voting. Which is mighty strange considering he had the most goals and 2nd most points among all alleged RWs that season. Wouldn't you agree?

Look at Carter's number of faceoffs per minute played by season:

683 978 0.70
1062 1178 0.90
1378 1545 0.89
1725 1718 1.00
1314 1428 0.92
605 1460 0.41
774 1055 0.73
384 844 0.45
644 1365 0.47
1179 1474 0.80
1228 1416 0.87
1415 1479 0.96
398 482 0.83
1184 1318 0.90

2011, 2012 and 2014 are the only three seasons in which his numbers spike downwards (and the difference is stark; never above 0.47 those seasons, never below 0.70 otherwise). Other than that, he's pretty clearly either a full time center or highly predominantly a center. Even in those three seasons, he still takes a ton of faceoffs, at best, he was a winger half the time those years. If you doubt me, I suggest you go check out how many faceoffs wingers typically take.

Your memory is faulty about 2008-09. See for yourself: Jeff Carter 2008-09 Scoring Log | Hockey-Reference.com
Richards had a hand in just 5 goals with Carter that session, including just 3 at even strength. Oops!

The year before that? Two goals, one at even strength. The year before that, two goals, one at even strength. The year before that, one goal, zero at even strength. If Carter and Richards were even strength linemates, they were awful players.

2009-10: 7 points, 3 at even strength. 2010-11: 8 points, 2 at even strength. Playoffs 2006-2011: 3 goals, 2 at even strength.

Philadelphia totals: 28 goals on which Carter and Richards both participated, including 12 at even strength, in 508 games. Approximately every 42 games, Carter was on the ice with Richards long enough to participate in even strength offense with him.

"One would have to have a blackout about half his career otherwise."
- such bluster over something you're obviously incorrect about. Check your facts first next time, and only behave that way if you're actually right, ok?

Is three seasons spent partially on the wing enough to call him a RW/C? Don't make me laugh. C/RW is a major stretch, even.

The 2012, 2013 and 2014 seasons are the only times you can point to Carter and Richards being linemates, and even then, Richards was taking 0.67 faceoffs per minute himself. They couldn't have both taken that many faceoffs if they were always linemates. During that time, Carter scored 35 points at even strength with Richards (playoffs included) and 90 ESP in total. Again. If they were always linemates they weren't very good together.
 
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Richards was stationed on the PP at the RW circle in LA when he was going well - fyi. Carter was probably in the middle of the umbrella- I don't remember. Makes sense as he's a righty.
 

seventieslord

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Richards was stationed on the PP at the RW circle in LA when he was going well - fyi. Carter was probably in the middle of the umbrella- I don't remember. Makes sense as he's a righty.
You're probably right. But pp setups are a completely different thing than even strength.
 

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REGULAR SEASON STANDINGS:

  1. Nova Scotia Voyageurs 22 points
  2. Brooklyn Americans 20 points
  3. Eerie Blades 19 points
  4. Phoenix Roadrunners 15 points - tie breaker more second-place votes
  5. NDG Bears 15 points
  6. Norfolk Admirals 14 points
As you can see, really close voting here - the top team's mean finish was in 3rd place and the bottom team's mean finish was in 4th. Can't remember the playoff format off the top of my head but if we're giving the top 2 teams a bye and playing off the other 4, my ad hoc tie breaker won't really matter in setting matchups.
 
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