OT: MLB Thread - Part XVIII: Home Stretch for Yanks. Coup de Grâce for Mets.

[Bob Richards]

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[Machinehead]

I am continuing

 

[Machinehead]

While I'm continuing, did you know Mike Mussina is 53rd all-time in WAR?

Not for starting pitchers, not for right-handed pitchers, not for pitchers. 53rd. Period. Everyone ever.

He belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

While I'm continuing, did you know Mike Mussina is 53rd all-time in WAR?

Not for starting pitchers, not for right-handed pitchers, not for pitchers. 53rd. Period. Everyone ever.

He belongs in the Hall of Fame.

fascinating stuff, he was very good, one of the only pitchers to ever work out on a long term deal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Moose joined the Yankees a year too late and left a year too soon.

Had Moose pitched in Atlanta instead of Baltimore to start his career, he'd be in the hall of fame already. He was better than Glavine and Smoltz.

 

[Machinehead]

But not Maddox. Smoltz and Glavine got the hype IIRC but Maddox was the gem of that rotation

 

[Bob Richards]

But not Maddox. Smoltz and Glavine got the hype IIRC but Maddox was the gem of that rotation

What do you mean by that? Maddux is actually like a Top 5 pitcher of all time.

 

[Machinehead]

What do you mean by that? Maddux is actually like a Top 5 pitcher of all time.

Maybe I'm wrong but I always remembered Glavine as the "number 1" in the media.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maddux received more HOF votes than Glavine and they were inducted in the same year (the media votes for this.) If they painted Glavine as the #1 while they played, they wised up about that when it was time to vote

Its amazing that they only won 1 WS considering that they rolled out 3 HOF pitchers.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Someone give me a reason why Harvey deserves another start this season. I'd rather Flexen take his starts.

The young players are playing well recently, which is nice, and we continue to lose, which is also nice. Need that high draft pick.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Maddux received more HOF votes than Glavine and they were inducted in the same year (the media votes for this.) If they painted Glavine as the #1 while they played, they wised up about that when it was time to vote

Its amazing that they only won 1 WS considering that they rolled out 3 HOF pitchers.

And the Yankees won 8 straight WS games vs them including the deciding game against Maddux in 96 and Smoltz in 99. Unreal

 

[Fugazy]

Moose joined the Yankees a year too late and left a year too soon.

Had Moose pitched in Atlanta instead of Baltimore to start his career, he'd be in the hall of fame already. He was better than Glavine and Smoltz.

Mussina was extremely underrated throughout his entire career and after his career. He's a HOF worthy pitcher in my opinion.

 

[sbjnyc]

Mussina was extremely underrated throughout his entire career and after his career.

This really isn't true. He was considered borderline hof worthy even before he retired.

 

[nyr2k2]

Someone give me a reason why Harvey deserves another start this season. I'd rather Flexen take his starts.

The young players are playing well recently, which is nice, and we continue to lose, which is also nice. Need that high draft pick.

He totally doesn't deserve another start. He's been ****ing awful and looks completely done. No stuff, no command. And he just looks lost. I don't care if it's Flexen or Montero who also sucks or anyone else, I'm just done with Harvey.

Rosario looks exciting. He's still raw but that's to be expected. He seems on track. Should be fun watching him next year.

Smith is having some contact issues but is also getting hurt by a really low BABIP. The good thing is the power is already showing. If he can hit .260 next year with 25 HR I'm happy. He just needs to work on that plate discipline; it's never been a problem for him before so I expect him to adjust. He's always been a high contact rate guy.

Reyes has earned himself a contract for next year, if not from us then from someone else. I'd rather keep him another year and get rid of Assdribble. Save money and get rid of a malcontent.

 

[NYR Viper]

Mussina was one of the pitchers I used to love to watch. His knuckle curve and the way he could locate his fastballs all over the strike zone was just a pleasure to watch. He didn't have to crank up the velocity later in his career because he was an actual pitcher, not just a thrower. On top of that, his mind for the game was superb. One of my favorites

 

[Fugazy]

This really isn't true. He was considered borderline hof worthy even before he retired.

He never got the notoriety that other big name pitchers got during their career. And it's taken him 4 years to start collecting a decent percentage of HOF votes.

 

[sbjnyc]

He never got the notoriety that other big name pitchers got during their career. And it's taken him 4 years to start collecting a decent percentage of HOF votes.

Notoriety? Mussina flew under the radar compared to other pitchers in that era because he never really had a dominant season. He never won a cy young - was only top 3 in voting once when he lost to Pedro's monster season. But with 270 wins he was always in the conversation.

 

[mrmovies779]

Notoriety? Mussina flew under the radar compared to other pitchers in that era because he never really had a dominant season.

Might want to recheck his stats before you make that claim.He had some monster seasons.His downfall was pitching in an era of so many dominant power pitchers and some not so great Orioles teams.

 

[sbjnyc]

Might want to recheck his stats before you make that claim.He had some monster seasons.His downfall was pitching in an era of so many dominant power pitchers and some not so great Orioles teams.

Might want to check the definition of dominant.

 

[Machinehead]

Maddux received more HOF votes than Glavine and they were inducted in the same year (the media votes for this.) If they painted Glavine as the #1 while they played, they wised up about that when it was time to vote

Its amazing that they only won 1 WS considering that they rolled out 3 HOF pitchers.

Only because they ran into the Yankees who were also rolling out a handful of Hall of Famers and a whole mess of guys on top of that who were not Hall of Famers, but very, very good.

Take away the Yankees, and the Braves win three.

 

[Krams]

Sandy Alderson: "Mike Barwis is one of our most important staff members and is not going anywhere"

 

[RangerBlues]

Miley has nothing. Yanks up 3 zip quick.
You know this game has 8-7 written all over it.

 

[RangerBlues]

Miley: 0.3 6H 6ER 18 pitches.
Buck having a stroke.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yankees hate Gray, already 6 runs in..

 

[RangerBlues]

I dont think Sonny Grey has gotten six runs support.