Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Sports' started by LeHab, May 31, 2019.
The only other thing that could help the team is the rays leaving the state There is no easy fix.
Seriously. Paying attention to the game, shifting, backing someone up when the ball is hit their way, and being a cutoff man hardly qualify as "involvement" in the game. Most people like to touch the ball in a sport they play. Oh, and you get to bat 3-5 times in a 3 hour long game....
What incentive do I have to attend a Tigers game this season? While all star players like Keuchel and Kimbrel sat out half a season because teams wouldn’t pay them, Detroit was trotting out a guy named Gregory Soto, who over 4 outings has an ERA above 11. The team has been at the bottom of the standings for the last two seasons, and their GM even made comments about how they don’t plan to spend money/compete until maybe 2021. The worst part is that unlike the Red Wings, who are awful but have young and talented future players like Larkin, Mantha, and Zadina playing at the NHL level, the Tigers aren’t in a hurry to bring up their top prospects despite some of them dominating minor league ball. The way the MLB’s 40 man roster / 25 man roster works, its harmful for a losing club to give a younger player a shot. Why would I want to go to a Tigers game in 2019 to see Miguel Cabrera and a cast of fringe MLB players who will never really be that special? There’s literally nothing to be excited about, and unless you REALLY love the game, you don’t have a reason to attend.
My family owned a season ticket package for years. Then, I kept noticing Stubhub had better seats available for less money than our package was worth. Maybe offer more to the fans who are willing to buy packages? Offer the opportunity to meet the players- even if the family purchases a minimal package. Or, offer complimentary soda/hot dogs/whatever along with the tickets. My father might have kept buying season tickets if he actually felt like there was a reason to do it.
Overall, there’s a lot of other things for me to spend my time and money on than overpriced beer and a ticket to a mediocre ballgame.
baseball just has a massive tanking problem. the sport is fine. the mlb needs work
or erasing the marlins from existence and moving the rays to miami.
joe sheehan said in one of his newsletters that mlb really should just move both teams from florida and just use florida as a spring training place, maybe as a neutral site when needed. miami has seen success via previous owners but a combination of tanking, the death of jose fernandez and just repeatedly giving the middle finger to its fanbase has given them an apathetic city that might come out if the team is doing well.
the rays on the other hand are really a well run organization from top to bottom, finding creative solutions to its problems and making deals that don't get people hard but are good to look at. they can't get people to come to games because their stadium is in a different city in a shit neighborhood on a f***ing peninsula. it's like they play their games in an airport.
The CFL doesn't have Seattle, Atlanta, Portland, etc.
In Canada, I can see you phrasing it that way regarding MLS (Toronto is up and down, Montreal has not really caught on, Vancouver started out somewhat well and has squandered a LOT). As a business, the CFL is happy to have Saskatchewan locked down.
Now, time to flip this.
MLS has a major market problem. LA Galaxy once threatened to break through that, but not a lot of the more expensive seats are held by "die-hard" fans. LAFC threatens to pass them up, and if LAFC can continue their hot start this year, it'll be interesting to see if they can pierce the veil. Up in the northeast corridor and in Chicago, however, there's not much that has captured imaginations (and not for a lack of trying).
MLS average attendance has declined nearly 2,000 per game since 2017.
2017 - 22,100 per game
2019 - 20,200 per game
Does the switch to digital tickets have an impact? I live walking distance from a ballpark. I gave yet to attend a game this year. Part of my decision making is MLB insistence that I maintain the Ballpark App (an app they butchered and gutted the best features) and then want me to open a separate ticketing account for each team I want to buy tickets for.
It’s mainly the teams stuck in MLS 1.0 pulling down the numbers. The newer teams all draw great numbers.
That doesn't really matter.
Total attendance is still massively going up.
If you have slightly less average attendance, but a lot more teams... you are doing great.
Total attendance in 2010 was 4,002,000. In 2016 7,375,144. In 2018 8,553,245.
That's a massive increase.
I'll remember this for the next time somebody complains about the Coyotes, Panthers or Hurricanes attendance.
They need to bring back steroids
Pay attention. The ball is juiced as f***.
Baseball for the most part became a non issue for me the year the Expos looked like they were finally going to make the playoffs and the league went on strike(only to have the Expos lose alot of their top player to free agency the next season)
The economics of baseball really don't leave teams much of a choice in the matter. It's cheaper and more rewarding in the long run to tank and play in an empty ballpark than to be mediocre with a roster of 30+ year olds on bloated, lengthy contracts.
Relocating teams out of good markets with filled arenas to unnatural markets with empty ones isn't the same as expanding your league.
Coyotes got a team that was always in the bottom half of the league in attendance and spent quite a bit of time in the bottom 5. Ditto for the Hurricanes. And the Panthers were an expansion team so they added attendance which means it's great.
I've heard about this. To me the baseball season being so long might be a factor as well. I figure once you get kids out of school in July and August you'll see more people at the ballpark.
I find baseball games to be boring live. Lots of dull moments and there's really not much to do other than to play on your phone or watch the players just standing around.
I feel like it's more of a TV sport that you have on in the background when you do work around the house.
Kids get out of school in May these days
kids got out a few days early this year due to no hurricane days last year. i think our county got out on 5/21 which was right in line with most around here. they go back 8/12.
Our public schools were still going last week to make up for snow/cold days.
For me baseball is boring to watch but I try to attend a few games a year. The long season doesn't help either and if your team isn't in a playoff race than it's hard to get excited.
We have at least one thing in common.
I stopped following the Cardinals as a die hard from 1992-2009.
And I am 36.
Personally the steroid ERA = EXCITING!!
POST AMPHETAMINES/STEROIDS = ZZZZZZZzzz
I also imagine the consecutive home games causes problems. Many homestands are 1-2 weeks long, with games nearly every day. I don't know many people who are able to devote 5+ hours a day (3+ hours at the game, probably 2 hours traveling back/forth) 7-14 consecutive days with other real life responsibilities.
I'm guessing that takes a toll on people who are willing to buy seasons or ticket packages.
At least with the other sports, there's time to devote to your real life between most games. NFL almost always has 6+ days off if you have consecutive home games (unless you have an outlier Thursday night game). NHL and NBA games almost never have more than 2 or 3 home games in a row in as many days. There's usually an off day or two in there somewhere.
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