Does somebody want to actually post some stats about Aho's defense compared to Marner's? Or are you all just going to keep spouting off about how "Aho's better defensively" as if it isn't the lamest excuse to separate wingers ever. At 5on5 Marner has better corsi relative to his teammates (+4.02 to -1.11), better xGA/60 (2.35 to 2.44) and is far better at takeaways (61 to 43). Aho has some stronger raw numbers due to his much higher ice time (20 minutes more in 4 less games played). Those defensive numbers also include Marner's time playing on a line with Bozak and JVR, two notorious defensive black holes. Aho plays with Jordan Staal. Aho plays against the tougher competition, which makes his results quite impressive, but there is very little to show that he's actually better than Marner defensively.
There, that's my completely and utterly cherry picked set of stats. Now show me yours and we'll actually have a real discussion, not just a bunch of bs.
Sure i can post some.
Marner vs Aho
Toi: 897 vs 918 (minutes)
Goals: 12 vs 16
Assists: 18 vs 20
Points: 30 vs 36
Primary points: 22 vs 29
P/60: 2.01 vs 2.35
Cf/ca/cf% = 912/828/52.41% vs 955/825/53.65
Wont post the cf relative to teammates as you already did...looks like marners line has let up 3 more chances in less time tho..hence why its a bit shady to use rel stats like that ill show you why here.
Gf/ga/gf% = 40/40/50% vs 44/41/51,76%
GF relative to teammates =
-5.14 vs +8.91
Because matthews is on the leafs that wrecks marners relgf%, staal is carolinas matthews in the cf department his numbers wreck ahos in relative to teammate ,atleast thats how i think it works, the xgf% seems off aswell.
Xgf%= +4.52 vs -2.36.
Anyways for some defensive stats here are their chances against.
Their ca/60 are as follows
Marner
Ca/60 = 55.38
Aho
Ca/60 = 53.92
So at 5v5 aho seems a bit more effective while i cant really see any huge differences in defensive numbers altho this too seems to favor aho.
Aho faces significantly tougher competion altho i dont think that really makes a big difference.
In relation to their team marners is actually doing better defensively as they bleed less chances against compared to matthews line (matthews ca/60 is a whopping 62.04...823 chances against in 796 minutes he was in the 60's his rookie season too)
Anyways i dont know if any of this made us any smarter what do you say?
