Mitch Marner Vs. Kapanen, Connor Brown, Kadri

[elitepete]

None of the above. Just kidding, Marner 50% retained.

 

[KapG]

Easily Marner. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t trade him tho. I think he needs to go. Not for that tho

 

[Yackiberg8]

Connor Brown 56GP 21G 14A 35P
Kasperi Kapanen 40GP 11G 19A 30P
Nazem Kadri 56GP 11G 21A 32P

I take a full 2nd line any day of the week over a winger. They all are on good contracts too.

Third line*. If that’s your second line you have problems.

Poll should be Marner, Kerfoot, Mikheyev and it’s Marners group by a landslide.

 

[Xspyrit]

Third line*. If that’s your second line you have problems.

Poll should be Marner, Kerfoot, Mikheyev and it’s Marners group by a landslide.

This was their pace this year :

Connor Brown (31 goals, 51 pts) - Nazem Kadri (16 goals, 47 pts) - Kasperi Kapanen (23 goals, 61 pts)

I mean, it's not Maple Leafs dynasty level but those are absolutely 2nd line numbers (or more), particularly if you consider that Kadri could provide more in a more offensive role.

 

[Yackiberg8]

This was their pace this year :

Connor Brown (31 goals, 51 pts) - Nazem Kadri (16 goals, 47 pts) - Kasperi Kapanen (23 goals, 61 pts)

I mean, it's not Maple Leafs dynasty level but those are absolutely 2nd line numbers (or more), particularly if you consider that Kadri could provide more in a more offensive role.

I don’t think you’re making the playoffs if that’s your second line.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don’t think you’re making the playoffs if that’s your second line.

Those players wouldn't be the whole second line and Marner is not playing on the 2nd line so we're comparing apples and oranges anyway. My personal point was that if your replace Marner, Thornton and Simmonds by these 3, you probably make the playoffs and have a better chance to actually win a round. That being said, I don't know how that 1st line would work but they'd find plenty of ways to score IMO. Maybe not as much as with Marner but it's a more balanced forward group IMO.

Hyman-Matthews-Kapanen
Brown-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Kadri-Mikheyev
Galchenyuk-Spezza-Engvall

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I’d pretty easily pick Marner. Yeah he had an awful playoff series but so did a lot of leafs players. It’s a lot harder to acquire elite talent than it is depth

 

[Ducks in a row]

If you already have elite talent but lacking in depth you take the depth like this. If you have depth but no elite talent you take elite talent. Taking elite talent all the time no matter what doesn't work in cap era.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Kadri is a 2C/2W
Kapanen is a 2-3W
Brown is a 2-3W

I’ll take that over Marner

If we went into the playoffs with this as a forward core Instead:

Brown - Matthews - Kadri
Kapanen - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Simmonds - Engvall - Spezza

we would’ve had a better chance, better depth and our top line would have 3 scoring threats, instead of .5 against the habs who knows, who cares. Back to sulking

 

[trentmccleary]

I don’t think you’re making the playoffs if that’s your second line.

If all of the offensive talent in the league had been spread out equally between all 31 teams, these would have been the PPG stats for the 16th (average) offense (min. 50% GP):

Rank	PPG	Tor	Player
16	1.06	1.27	Matthews
47	0.86	1.22	Marner
78	0.72	0.89	Tavares
109	0.61	0.82	Nylander
140	0.55	0.77	Hyman
171	0.47	0.56	Spezza
202	0.42	0.45	Thornton
233	0.38	0.41	Kerfoot
264	0.33	0.41	Foligno
295	0.29	0.31	Mikeyev
326	0.25	0.29	Engvall
357	0.20	0.24	Simmonds

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

109	0.61	0.75	Kapanen
140	0.55	0.63	C.Brown
171	0.47	0.57	Kadri

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Kapanen - Kadri - C. Brown would have been an above average offensive, 2nd line. They could have been the 2nd line for a playoff team.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Are they really elite talent if they are completely invisible during the playoffs?

Marner is paid like an elite talent, I'm not so sure he actually is elite though.

LOL. Yes, they are still elite talent if they finish 4th in league scoring. They might need a therapist to get through the post season, but they are DEFINITELY still elite in the talent dept.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Get real.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Marner’s value has tanked and rightfully so. Hopefully he gets traded or exposed at the Seattle entry draft and they take him.

He was on pace to score the most he ever had.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Yeah, people don't want an 100pt player...get over yourselves

 

[Pyrophorus]

Kadri is a 2C/2W
Kapanen is a 2-3W
Brown is a 2-3W

I’ll take that over Marner

If we went into the playoffs with this as a forward core Instead:

Brown - Matthews - Kadri
Kapanen - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Simmonds - Engvall - Spezza

we would’ve had a better chance, better depth and our top line would have 3 scoring threats, instead of .5 against the habs who knows, who cares. Back to sulking

How do you know? Maybe the mental block affects them too.

 

[SotasicA]

Since it's three against one, I think the real gist of the poll is which line would win if they went head-to-head:

Mitch Marner + two fringe NHLers playing with league minimum salaries

or

Brown - Kadri - Kapanen

The second unit is actually cheaper, by $1.65m

 

[Pyrophorus]

Since it's three against one, I think the real gist of the poll is which line would win if they went head-to-head:

Mitch Marner + two fringe NHLers playing with league minimum salaries

or

Brown - Kadri - Kapanen

The second unit is actually cheaper, by $1.65m

The first line is better.

 

[SotasicA]

The first line is better.

Maybe.

I'll use capfriendly with 775k comparables and an RNG to generate a line.

Ross Colton - Brian Pinho - Mitch Marner
(Colton is actually a good one. Pinho I have no idea who he is).

Kasperi Kapanen - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

LOL. Yes, they are still elite talent if they finish 4th in league scoring. They might need a therapist to get through the post season, but they are DEFINITELY still elite in the talent dept.

You're not elite if you can be shut down to 0 goals in 18 playoff games like Marner. One season where he finished in the top 4 in points (in a weird season where teams only played within their division) is not enough to call him elite.

 

[Holymakinaw]

You're not elite if you can be shut down to 0 goals in 18 playoff games like Marner. One season where he finished in the top 4 in points (in a weird season where teams only played within their division) is not enough to call him elite.

LMAO.

Uh, Marner had a 94 point season a few years ago, followed by "pacing" for another 93 point season, and then pacing for 101 points this year. He is VERY elite. He's one of the league's best RW's.

 

[TLEH]

Not understanding the notion that you win with elite talent in the NHL. You win with a large conglomeration of good players and a few elite ones. Not 4 elite ones and then a bunch of bozos. Toronto's problem is they don't have enough good players and they never will because they paid the elite ones too much.

Boston and Colorado and Tampa are probably the three best teams left and their elite players make nothing compared to Torontos players and that is why. Not because Marner isn't good enough. Its because other teams can key in on the elite players a lot easier because the rest of the lineup isn't good enough.


The whole is way more important than a player or two.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

LMAO.

Uh, Marner had a 94 point season a few years ago, followed by "pacing" for another 93 point season, and then pacing for 101 points this year. He is VERY elite. He's one of the league's best RW's.

Nope, sorry. Show up when it matters. He's good at racking up points in the regular season, is a liability when the going gets tough. Not elite.

 

[Volica]

How is this close?

If the salaries were 3-4M apart, I could understand going with less salary. However, it's 100k difference. You win in the NHL with elite talent, not a combination of 2nd line/middle six forwards.

You win with elite talent and depth.
It’s insane people watch this sport and still can’t figure that out.

If I’ve got Matthews and Tavares already on my team, along with Nylander, I’m taking option B all day for a playoff run.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Nope, sorry. Show up when it matters. He's good at racking up points in the regular season, is a liability when the going gets tough. Not elite.

LOL. Well I won't continue down this path, as it's idiotic. You have fun, tho!

 

[Aashir Mallik]

How do you know? Maybe the mental block affects them too.

True, but that isn’t something I could prove or not, so I didn’t mention it but it definitely is a possibility