Mitch Marner vs. Blake Wheeler

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Who’s a better player right now? Two elite playmaking right wingers.

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[Machinehead]

Right now Marner, but Wheeler was better a year or two ago than Marner is now.

 

[ijuka]

Wheeler's overly romanticized by people who've not watched Jets play a lot.

 

[Halla]

Marner just had more pts on the last year of his ELC than wheeler has had in his 11 year career.
at the same as as magic mitch blake was still 4 years away from being a top 6 forward


lock er up

 

[Halla]

Right now Marner, but Wheeler was better a year or two ago than Marner is now.

oh yeah?

career seasons

Marner: 26g/94pts/+22 in 82 games
Wheeler: 23g/91pts/+13 in 81 games

 

[Machinehead]

oh yeah?

career seasons

Marner: 26g/94pts/+22 in 82 games
Wheeler: 23g/91pts/+13 in 81 games

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

 

[tony d]

Both are very good players but this is Blake Wheeler ever so slightly.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

True, but Wheeler wasn't even in the top 30 for 5v5 points or top 50 in 5v5 primary points. Marner was 7th and 1st respectively. Also, 50.17 cf% (-2.12 rel) and 52.48 xgf% (-0.87 rel) isn't so great for Wheeler. Marner had 52 cf% (+0.4 rel) and 52.3 xgf% (+1.6 rel). You could also make the case that Marner was a stronger penalty killer

 

[Kamiccolo]

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

Defense is the new intangibles.. Especially with wingers. Marner isn't exactly poor either, and the impact of good defense on the wing means nothing.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

Are you referring to Wheeler's defensive prowess over his career or right now? Because Jets fans seemed very critical of Wheeler and Scheifele's defensive play last season. Not criticizing, Wheeler's probably the answer for the poll given his stellar track record, just want to know what you see that makes you say that, especially compared to Marner, who I feel gets overrated defensively by Leaf fans.

 

[Zamuz]

True, but Wheeler wasn't even in the top 30 for 5v5 points or top 50 in 5v5 primary points. Marner was 7th and 1st respectively. Also, 50.17 cf% (-2.12 rel) and 52.48 xgf% (-0.87 rel) isn't so great for Wheeler. Marner had 52 cf% (+0.4 rel) and 52.3 xgf% (+1.6 rel). You could also make the case that Marner was a stronger penalty killer

I rather take someone who is lethal also on the PP since it is a big, important part of NHL. Most games are being decided on PP, not on 5v5

 

[Machinehead]

Are you referring to Wheeler's defensive prowess over his career or right now? Because Jets fans seemed very critical of Wheeler and Scheifele's defensive play last season. Not criticizing, Wheeler's probably the answer for the poll given his stellar track record, just want to know what you see that makes you say that, especially compared to Marner, who I feel gets overrated defensively by Leaf fans.

At his peak. He was borderline Selke-level at his peak.

 

[Psych0dad]

Wheeler's overly romanticized by people who've not watched Jets play a lot.

Agreed, it stretches on to some of the fan base too. Praise from coach must have sold some on his excellence. Marner is much better and only starting. The gap between them will only grow, one is years away from entering his prime and other is past his. Marner at this age is better than Wheeler at any point in his career.

 

[Psych0dad]

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

Mark Stone isn't in this conversation. Wheeler is not a defensive fwd by any stretch of imagination

 

[Regal]

Marner just had more pts on the last year of his ELC than wheeler has had in his 11 year career.
at the same as as magic mitch blake was still 4 years away from being a top 6 forward


lock er up

Why do you guys insist on bringing up age when it's not relevant?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I rather take someone who is lethal also on the PP since it is a big, important part of NHL. Most games are being decided on PP, not on 5v5

Personally I prefer 5v5 and I do think the gap in points would have been a lot bigger if Marner had 50 more PP minutes than Wheeler, but your opinion is interesting too

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Defense is the new intangibles.. Especially with wingers. Marner isn't exactly poor either, and the impact of good defense on the wing means nothing.

 

[ijuka]

I'll take 3 fewer points for one of the best defensive wingers in the league.

Are we talking about Blake Wheeler? I mean... guy even cheats for offense and blows the zone in record time, all day.

 

[Halla]

Mark Stone isn't in this conversation. Wheeler is not a defensive fwd by any stretch of imagination

yeah saying wheeler is one of the best defensive forwards is a horrible take.

 

[snipes]

Marner