Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VIII | We Waitin'

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[glue]

We Waitin, but also starting to Hatin..

 

[MattySnipes]

Think Mitch would go for $9.25M × 6?

 

[Nylander88]

I don't remember last year ever being as annoyed at Nylander as I am with Marner. There was no Nylander talk of visiting other teams to see what leverage he could get, and there was no talk of wanting to compare himself to goal scoring Centers. Nylander was always rumoured to have the negotiations between 6mil and 8 mil. And was always compared to Ehlers, Pasternak etc. I was bummed there was a holdout, but never ticked off by it. Marner has me ticked off. If I'm the Leafs I just wait on it. He's going to look silly when Rantanen and Point come in at 9-10 per long term. Both of whom put the puck in the back of the net more than Marner. Goals have always been worth more despite the nay sayers. You can get secondary assists by almost total accident, I've never seen a secondary goal handed out yet

 

[4thline]

I've said it before, but leaking the intention to go the OS route was a seriously dumb play. It's a an all or nothing gamble on another team being willing to offer what they want, because if no one does there's nowhere left to go other than accepting what the Leafs offer. You can't hold out after saying "you're not offering enough, I'm worth more to the league" and having the league turn you down without coming off undeniably greedy & petulant.

 

[ACC1224]

I've said it before, but leaking the intention to go the OS route was a seriously dumb play. It's a an all or nothing gamble on another team being willing to offer what they want, because if no one does there's nowhere left to go other than accepting what the Leafs offer. You can't hold out after saying "you're not offering enough, I'm worth more to the league" and having the league turn you down without coming off undeniably greedy & petulant.

Has Marner or the Agent been quoted of this OS intention?
I was always under the impression it was a "belief".

I agree it's not a good look if it did come from them.

 

[Kiwi]

I've said it before, but leaking the intention to go the OS route was a seriously dumb play. It's a an all or nothing gamble on another team being willing to offer what they want, because if no one does there's nowhere left to go other than accepting what the Leafs offer. You can't hold out after saying "you're not offering enough, I'm worth more to the league" and having the league turn you down without coming off undeniably greedy & petulant.

It's a great way of turning the fan base against you as well, I struggle to see why you'd even float that threat through the media

Unless somebody stumps up around the league you lose on multiple levels

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've said it before, but leaking the intention to go the OS route was a seriously dumb play. It's a an all or nothing gamble on another team being willing to offer what they want, because if no one does there's nowhere left to go other than accepting what the Leafs offer. You can't hold out after saying "you're not offering enough, I'm worth more to the league" and having the league turn you down without coming off undeniably greedy & petulant.

I think it makes sense to wait how that plays out and just say take the 80 x 8 yrs or enjoy the sidelines.

That or if he's that hellbent on not getting an 8 year deal, 2 year deal at like 5.5-5.75M, then he can get a slightly bigger deal, Leafs will be clear of the Kessel 1.2M retention by then.

 

[Bomber0104]

I've said it before, but leaking the intention to go the OS route was a seriously dumb play. It's a an all or nothing gamble on another team being willing to offer what they want, because if no one does there's nowhere left to go other than accepting what the Leafs offer. You can't hold out after saying "you're not offering enough, I'm worth more to the league" and having the league turn you down without coming off undeniably greedy & petulant.

Why do people seem to think Marner's camp is only communicating to the Leafs through Dreger's twitter account?

 

[93LEAFS]

I don't remember last year ever being as annoyed at Nylander as I am with Marner. There was no Nylander talk of visiting other teams to see what leverage he could get, and there was no talk of wanting to compare himself to goal scoring Centers. Nylander was always rumoured to have the negotiations between 6mil and 8 mil. And was always compared to Ehlers, Pasternak etc. I was bummed there was a holdout, but never ticked off by it. Marner has me ticked off. If I'm the Leafs I just wait on it. He's going to look silly when Rantanen and Point come in at 9-10 per long term. Both of whom put the puck in the back of the net more than Marner. Goals have always been worth more despite the nay sayers. You can get secondary assists by almost total accident, I've never seen a secondary goal handed out yet

Nylander couldn't visit other teams or accept an offersheet. It wasn't an option. He only had 2 years towards UFA due to playing less than 41 games in his rookie year.

 

[Menzinger]

Leafs are in a pretty good position. now imo.

Marner camp has been taking public heat for the offersheet talk (we all know Mitch hates bad PR) - a dumb strategy for Ferris to take. Dubas then gives Ferris the cold shoulder at the draft, starts signing the teams other RFAs and casually mentions to the media he may not even match an offersheet.

If/when the offersheets dont even come, Ferris will huff and puff but forced to come back to be more reasonable with the Leafs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

New idea:

Fire Ferris and just pocket more take home pay?

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander couldn't visit other teams or accept an offersheet. It wasn't an option. He only had 2 years towards UFA due to playing less than 41 games in his rookie year.

Not to be argumentative but i dont think this is correct. Somebody posted a while back the explanation as to why he was able to get them (cant find it right now)

 

[ACC1224]

New idea:

Fire Ferris and just pocket more take home pay?

I wonder how aware Mitch is of the whole situation?
Is he even in town?

 

[Leafidelity]

New idea:

Fire Ferris and just pocket more take home pay?

If Mitch had a problem with the way Ferris represented him, he'd be gone already. Clearly he does not.

 

[thewave]

Our boy is getting paid, getting paid Matthews money.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Why do people seem to think Marner's camp is only communicating to the Leafs through Dreger's twitter account?

That's not what was said at all. I suspect his camp thought that by leaking it to the media, the fans would go "Holy shit not Marner! Dubas give him whatever he wants" because Marner has been such a fan favorite here.

Instead, it was more met with "Oh really? f*** him then" and it has backfired. It soured his image with a lot of fans, and I imagine even though it will never come out, has soured him a bit with a few team mates.

If he goes and meets with other teams and no offer sheet comes, he is left holding the bag and looks like an unreasonable idiot who basically told the fanbase he doesn't give a shit about them.

I suspect that if it is true and he doesn't want 8 years, Marner gets traded. He is souring the relationship with the Leafs, his team mates, and the fan base over his hurt ego.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I wonder how aware Mitch is of the whole situation?
Is he even in town?

99.9% aware I'm betting

 

[saffronleaf]

Marner's dad should be deported.

 

[Shayne Corsi]

Dubas has finally recognized his considerable leverage - his current approach is the correct one. But this time do not cave last minute. Marner either takes what our best offer is or he sits. Period.

 

[yubbers]

Marner's dad should be deported.

lirl

 

[4thline]

Why do people seem to think Marner's camp is only communicating to the Leafs through Dreger's twitter account?

Why do the least literate posters try to be condescending?

The context of the post was pretty clearly about public perception and PR, which something Marner has valued highly in the past on a personal level, and potentially carries some financial value from negative impact on his brand.

Leveraging the OS behind closed doors is one thing. If it goes south you can still hold out and maintain the high ground of the Leafs not offering enough. But making it public to try and apply pressure was dumb.

 

[BallardEra]

Think Mitch would go for $9.25M × 6?

I'd say no.

 

[Bomber0104]

That's not what was said at all. I suspect his camp thought that by leaking it to the media, the fans would go "Holy **** not Marner! Dubas give him whatever he wants" because Marner has been such a fan favorite here.

Instead, it was more met with "Oh really? **** him then" and it has backfired. It soured his image with a lot of fans, and I imagine even though it will never come out, has soured him a bit with a few team mates.

If he goes and meets with other teams and no offer sheet comes, he is left holding the bag and looks like an unreasonable idiot who basically told the fanbase he doesn't give a **** about them.

I suspect that if it is true and he doesn't want 8 years, Marner gets traded. He is souring the relationship with the Leafs, his team mates, and the fan base over his hurt ego.

Seems like both sides have made it clear they're keeping their options open, through media members (if we're to believe that).

I really don't think public opinion is going to sway this thing all that much.

 

[Walshy7]

Has Marner or the Agent been quoted of this OS intention?
I was always under the impression it was a "belief".

I agree it's not a good look if it did come from them.

their muppet voice has been tellling us what they want us to know, and they have told us they intend to. Dreger is their plaything.