Miscellaneous NHL Talk XLII - The answer to life, the universe, and everything

[deadhead]

Like I said before, the Tavares signing f***ed them over. Would have been better off spending that money elsewhere

That's false, because I've been told if you can retain puck possession, you don't need to play defense - offense is the best defense.

And I always believe what I'm told around here.

 

[AdamParrot]

That's false, because I've been told if you can retain puck possession, you don't need to play defense - offense is the best defense.

And I always believe what I'm told around here.

If you havent Dmen who can pass, you cant have puck possession.
If you havent Dmen who can skating, rushes, you cant have puck possession.

Just like us when we have Hagg on the ice and a lot of times the puck have oponnent' players. Thats why Hagg has so much hits and blocks, because of we havent puck.

Toronto has Ceci in TOP4. Hagg caliber Dman. That says everything.

 

[deadhead]

Kevin Hayes as well... same circumstance.

Torey Krug - UFA 2012 (3yr player)
Tyler Bozak - UFA 2009
Chris Tanev - UFA 2011 (1yr college)
Connor Sheary - UFA 2014
Alex Iafallo - UFA 2017
Nate Schmidt - UFA 2013 (3yr player)
Neal Pionk - UFA 2017 (2yr player, USHL)
Troy Stecher - UFA 2016 (3yr player)
Brandon Tanev - UFA 2016
Cam Talbot - UFA 2010 (3yr player)

are all last ~10 years. There is usually ~1 damn good one a year or thereabouts.

Strange that both Tanev brothers went undrafted.

Interesting that 4 were signed in a two year period (2016-17), might have been a reflection of re-evaluating players after the rule changes, though only Stecher was undersized.

Seems to be about as productive as signing junior players who slip through the draft or SHL/KHL players in their mid-20s who've blossomed late.
That is, you can find a few gems, but it's not a sustainable way of building an organization.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think Muzzin and Rielly missing 39 combined games is more of an issue than Ceci.

 

[Appleyard]

Strange that both Tanev brothers went undrafted.

Interesting that 4 were signed in a two year period (2016-17), might have been a reflection of re-evaluating players after the rule changes, though only Stecher was undersized.

Seems to be about as productive as signing junior players who slip through the draft or SHL/KHL players in their mid-20s who've blossomed late.
That is, you can find a few gems, but it's not a sustainable way of building an organization.

Oh yeh, there have been some very good Euros as well as CHL guys go undrafted in last few years... though CHL guys are more likely to go as overagers as in general clubs seem to overvalue CHL vs Euro leagues.

Best to have fingers in all the pies though if possible, or at least a pulse on all.

 

[FlyerFaithful17]

Now is not the time to break from tradition.

Tonight’s Rooting Interests:
FLYERS!!!!!!!!!
Lightning vs Maple Leafs (tough one, but a Leafs win is more beneficial for the Flyers)
Penguins vs Devils
Hurricanes vs Red Wings
Rangers vs Stars
Islanders vs Canucks

 

[deadhead]

Oh yeh, there have been some very good Euros as well as CHL guys go undrafted in last few years... though CHL guys are more likely to go as overagers as in general clubs seem to overvalue CHL vs Euro leagues.

Best to have fingers in all the pies though if possible, or at least a pulse on all.

I think it's harder for good teams to sign overage college and European guys unless they have a specific hole.
I mean I wouldn't sign with the Flyers as a forward until I see what Laczynski and Allison do, it's not like there's a lot of projected holes at the NHL level the next few years and adding those two might mean a long sojourn in the Lehigh Valley.

Undrafted CHL guys are easy, they just want a contract.

 

[Tripod]

I think Muzzin and Rielly missing 39 combined games is more of an issue than Ceci.

Rielly is back tonight...and here is their 6 and the pairings according to Tim & Sid.

Rielly Ceci
Dermott Holl
Sandin Barrie

A coach playing Ceci and Holl over Barrie

 

[FLYguy3911]

That is straight out of the Hakstol playbook.

 

[Tripod]

Anaheim with 5 goals on 8 shots???

 

[pit]

Nylander got market value for putting up two 61 point seasons before turning 22.

If Nolan Patrick had 61 points last season and again in 19-20, he'd be getting $7m+ as an RFA. Luckily for us, he has 61 points in his whole career.

Sorry, less about value and more about tactics. The Leafs either needed to come in around fair early or be prepared to let him sit out that year. Once it dragged into the season and affected the season (and lowered Nylander's play all year), it got clear right quick that Dubas couldn't repeat that again. It left him in a bad bargaining position and Marner and Matthews' agents knew it.

 

[FlyerFaithful17]

Tonight’s Rooting Interest:
Rangers vs Avalanche

Boring night for us.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So the game starts 1-1 and they play the full 60 minutes tonight not from where the game ended last time?

 

[Fudgie the Whale]

Rielly is back tonight...and here is their 6 and the pairings according to Tim & Sid.

Rielly Ceci
Dermott Holl
Sandin Barrie

A coach playing Ceci and Holl over Barrie

Barrie is not good. He can't play in his won zone.

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[Tripod]

Pretty crazy that Detroit has already clinched dead last in the league.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pretty crazy that Detroit has already clinched dead last in the league.

Amazing. Nobody can lose enough to take that from them

 

[Tripod]

 

[FLYguy3911]

"Top" 20 differentials between actual goals and expected goals (i.e. expect regression)

 

[kudymen]

"Top" 20 differentials between actual goals and expected goals (i.e. expect regression)

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Very surprising names from Philadelphia. "There is no such thing as luck"

 

[Striiker]

"Top" 20 differentials between actual goals and expected goals (i.e. expect regression)

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Could you post the bottom 20 too? Or link where I could find it?

 

[Cody Webster]

So the game starts 1-1 and they play the full 60 minutes tonight not from where the game ended last time?

My guess is that they have their normal warm-up, anthem, all that stuff, play starts with whatever time was left on the clock when it happened, around 7 minutes iirc, they cut the ice, and the second period starts.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Could you post the bottom 20 too? Or link where I could find it?

Basically LA and Detroit breaking things

Just copied over data from NaturalStatTrick into Excel and played around with some columns and basic formulas. Aka busy day at work.

 

[Striiker]

Basically LA and Detroit breaking things

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Just copied over data from NaturalStatTrick into Excel and played around with some columns and basic formulas. Aka busy day at work.

Oh... I didn't even think of doing that. I just assumed there must be a different website that had it all displayed and you just copy/pasted it. Thanks for doing this.

 

[Curufinwe]

Daddy Hughes really fired the right shots in the late 90s/early 00s.

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