Miscellaneous NHL Talk, 2018 edition

[deadhead]

I gave seven years of scoring, no, Giroux is not in the same league with the top 5x5 scorers, neither is JT.
Giroux is among the top at PP scoring, however.
But he's never been a shutdown defender like Kopitar or Couts, either.

To me, elite by definition can only include a small group of players, basically your obvious HOF candidates.
There's no shame in Giroux and JT being very good, #1 centers, without having to puff their accomplishments.

 

[Striiker]

One year does not make a career, an elite player does it over a long period of time.

Over the past 7 seasons, he’s 2nd in points.

And 2nd in P/PG for guys with over 500 games.

That’s ELITE.

 

[kudymen]

Lol.

Statement A: He is elite, he is 2nd in points this year.
Response: Elite players do that over long period of time.
Statement B: Well he is 2nd in points over the last 8 years.
Response: Well actually I meant elite players do something else over those last 8 years.

 

[Hapiii]

Lol.

Statement A: He is elite, he is 2nd in points this year.
Response: Elite players do that over long period of time.
Statement B: Well he is 2nd in points over the last 8 years.
Response: Well actually I meant elite players do something else over those last 8 years.

You guys still keep arguing with the guy who keep moving the goalposts at every single argument

 

[kudymen]

thats just...

 

[achdumeingute]

Over the past 7 seasons, he’s 2nd in points.

And 2nd in P/PG for guys with over 500 games.

That’s ELITE.

What i find even more incredible, is that Giroux, as an assist guy, still has these stats with some pretty inept Flyers teams from 2014-2017.

 

[TCTC]

I gave seven years of scoring, no, Giroux is not in the same league with the top 5x5 scorers, neither is JT.
Giroux is among the top at PP scoring, however.
But he's never been a shutdown defender like Kopitar or Couts, either.

To me, elite by definition can only include a small group of players, basically your obvious HOF candidates.
There's no shame in Giroux and JT being very good, #1 centers, without having to puff their accomplishments.

There's also no need to downplay their accomplishments. G and JT are two of the best players in the league. Doesn't really matter if you want to call them "elite" or "great".

Giroux's already one of the best Flyers of all time.

 

[DancingPanther]

You're all elitiots

 

[Striiker]

7th in ppg... over a long period of time...

That's why I cut out people who hadn't played so many games. Barzal isn't better, so that sample size is misleading.




And as far as 5v5 scoring, Giroux's proven to be an elite 5v5 scorer. The only time that dips is when the team around him struggles. As a playmaker, if your team sucks your points will suffer, regardless of your own quality of play.

 

[kudymen]

That's why I cut out people who hadn't played so many games. Barzal isn't better, so that sample size is misleading.

Yep I was just going through it for fun and Clayton Keller is outpacing guys like Kuznetsov, Marchand or Pacioretty

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Imagine thinking you're a genius, but you're actually a f***ing moron. Just imagine living life that way.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Imagine thinking you're a genius, but you're actually a ****ing moron. Just imagine living life that way.

 

[Striiker]

Imagine thinking you're a genius, but you're actually a ****ing moron. Just imagine living life that way.

 

[Magua]

thats just...

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hopefully someone was there to give them a hose bath afterwards.

 

[pit]

Hopefully someone was there to give them a hose bath afterwards.

A fire hose.

And not the kind that firemen use. I mean a hose that shoots fire.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[deadhead]

So how did our "elite" player match up against the Penguins?
Oh I know, it was the coaches fault. There's always an excuse for the players you like.

Giroux and JT are very good, but I'd take a healthy Couts over either of them, Kopitar, Crosby/Malkin, Marchand.

Giroux hasn't been a dominant player since he was 24-26.
He bounced back last year b/c he was healthy, but also b/c he was paired with Couts, who is developing into a dominant player.
As Couts has shown the last three years, almost everyone is a better player with him as their center.

 

[Delete99991]

Soo... perusing the rumour forums, twitter, etc, I see virtually nil on Flyer activity in either the trade market or the FA market.

We had Stand Pat Gillick. What's should we call Ron?

 

[BernieParent]

Soo... perusing the rumour forums, twitter, etc, I see virtually nil on Flyer activity in either the trade market or the FA market.

We had Stand Pat Gillick. What's should we call Ron?

Ron Hex-stall?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Sombastate]

4 hours and 10 minutes until we can at least (kinda) rule a team out.

 

[deadhead]

"Cool Hand Ron"

He's like a duck, all you see is him swimming smoothly, not the legs paddling furiously under the water.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If he’s like a duck, can he bring me Silfverberg please? Reasonable extension included, of course.

 

[Amorgus]

Seriously, f*** TAVERES