Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LX: Covid Cup II nears its finale

[CanadianFlyer88]

Future Flyer Martinez.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

And a huge save by Price.

 

[TCTC]

Fleury is outperforming Price so far. That's a bad sign for Montreal.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Montreal's lack of depth on D could be their downfall. Without Petry they basically only have 3 reliable defensemen. Price and Weber will have to be super-human in this series.

They're already looking worn out.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Montreal is actually getting the better chances at 5v5 so far by a noticeable margin. Price hasn’t been good though while Fleury has.

As underdog you can’t really lose these games where the process is actually in your favor.

 

[TCTC]

They're already looking worn out.

Yeah, Vegas is pretty relentless and Montreal keeps taking dumb penalties.

 

[Tripod]

York would not have scored that

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Two goals for Vegas directly off of faceoffs.

 

[baudib1]

It's unfathomable to me that this organization can't recognize how terrible AV was this season and the damage he's done to the franchise. It's clear that the team gave up on him, there were signs early in the season when you had stuff like G and Voracek drawing up PP plays on their own.

You have. a legit shutdown center, a Selke winner, and also a $7M a year PK specialist. That alone should give you a decent PK. You have multiple players on this team who were among the best in the league FOR YEARS on the PP, and the PP was retched. Gerard Gallant was running 5-forward PPs with great success in Vegas, meanwhile AV puts his already overworked "No. 1" defenseman, objectively one of the worst PP producers in the league, on PP1 permanently. But sure let's pretend deployment doesn't matter.

You have an all-time goalie prospect who is fundamentally sound and never had a bad year in his life put in a disastrous season.

You have multiple high picks who were established as solid NHL contributors who all of a sudden flatlined or regressed.

I haven't seen a more obvious coaching disaster since Kotite's 'My record speaks for itself" and then going from 7-2 to 7-9.

Everyone in this organization needs to go.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Price has made two sure goal saves.

As much as Fleury may be outplaying him, this score could be much worse.



Technically all saves are sure goal saves, but you get it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Price is an animal

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Pietrangelo, Theodore and Martinez probably have more chances than the Vegas forwards combined. They're buzzing.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It's unfathomable to me that this organization can't recognize how terrible AV was this season and the damage he's done to the franchise. It's clear that the team gave up on him, there were signs early in the season when you had stuff like G and Voracek drawing up PP plays on their own.

You have. a legit shutdown center, a Selke winner, and also a $7M a year PK specialist. That alone should give you a decent PK. You have multiple players on this team who were among the best in the league FOR YEARS on the PP, and the PP was retched. Gerard Gallant was running 5-forward PPs with great success in Vegas, meanwhile AV puts his already overworked "No. 1" defenseman, objectively one of the worst PP producers in the league, on PP1 permanently. But sure let's pretend deployment doesn't matter.

You have an all-time goalie prospect who is fundamentally sound and never had a bad year in his life put in a disastrous season.

You have multiple high picks who were established as solid NHL contributors who all of a sudden flatlined or regressed.

I haven't seen a more obvious coaching disaster since Kotite's 'My record speaks for itself" and then going from 7-2 to 7-9.

Everyone in this organization needs to go.

There isn’t really a distinguishable difference between the first & second units on the PP. Which is the issue. The ice time & usage is essentially split in half. Therrien essentially arranges players around like deck chairs with no regard even in game let alone through multiple games.

Just truly stupid shit. That somehow is going to go unchecked.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Look, I like Stone, Pierre. Comparing to Datsyuk is silly.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Look, I like Stone, Pierre. Comparing to Datsyuk is silly.

Pierre was kept on for the semis? That's disappointing.

 

[Rebels57]

How many more times will they show Caufield's mom? 10? 20?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pierre was kept on for the semis? That's disappointing.

I think it's Pierre. I was watching and ignoring all commentary until that one bored itself into my mind like only a Pierre comment can.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

How many more times will they show Caufield's mom? 10? 20?

Is she a deformed lady shithobbit?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Gallant made the playoffs 3 times in his career (which is fine for a coach who has only coached full seasons 5 times even though he's going to be 58 I guess), twice with Fleury as his goalie, and the other with Luongo, both of whom are absolutely going to the hall of fame. You're not successful for any period of time in this league unless you have goaltending.

There's a whole ton of recency bias with Vigneault around here. Everyone hated his Canucks teams with a passion even though he was undermanned depth-wise (they also talked a ton of shit on the ice). And I remember the Rangers werent much fun to play against since they beat us like all the time, didn't we lose like 15 games in a row at MSG or something? Sure he makes mistakes, but all this stuff where the Flyers started settling for point shots and defense backing off and generally playing Hakstolian is not nor has ever his game either.

This is all so weird. He was a legitimately terrible coach in New York in his last few years. Worse than he was this year here.

I get that you have a vague memory of him doing something, but I lived in market and went to more Rangers games than Flyers by a mile in that period. He was worse than Hakstol ever was. Yes, accounting for talent levels. I’m very happy he improved from that level, but no, you don’t get to whitewash that shitshow because the Canucks were good a decade ago.

 

[Rebels57]

Is she a deformed lady shithobbit?

Nah she a milf yo

 

[FLYguy3911]

Coulda been us.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Gallant was fired in Florida b/c he was a dinosaur who preferred big, slow physical defensemen and hated analytics.
In fact, he got fired in both Florida and Vegas 22 and 49 games into his 3rd season, both times after making the playoffs the previous year.
You have to be special to piss off two GMs in 4 years to that extent.

Gallant’s players seem to really like him.

His relationships with general managers seem to deteriorate quickly.

Gallant prioritizes size & physical play, & he complained in FL & Vegas about needing more size.

His last two GMs also cited inconsistency & failure to meet high expectations in their mid-season decisions to fire him.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Coulda been us.

It was us, but Watt would never be caught dead wearing an Elliott blouse.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[FlyerNutter]

Ole ole