Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LX: Covid Cup II nears its finale

[deadhead]

Gallant was fired in Florida b/c he was a dinosaur who preferred big, slow physical defensemen and hated analytics.
In fact, he got fired in both Florida and Vegas 22 and 49 games into his 3rd season, both times after making the playoffs the previous year.
You have to be special to piss off two GMs in 4 years to that extent.

 

[ajgoal]

I get recycling names in the family, but making a kid a full-blown mini-me does seem kind of weird. Is it just a family tradition? Sure, but I bet a lot of them are the kind of people who want their kids to be monuments to them.

I know someone who is a mid-teenth. Strong tradition in that family.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I can't help but notice that Gallant didn't get 5 years. I wonder if we ever get compensation numbers.

 

[deadhead]

I can't help but notice that Gallant didn't get 5 years. I wonder if we ever get compensation numbers.

He coached nine years, made the playoffs 3 times, lost in the 1st rd twice, he had one good run and lost in the SC Finals 4-1.
Also got fired during the third season of each of his 3 HC gigs.
So yeah, I don't think he had a great negotiating position.

 

[Rebels57]

I can't help but notice that Gallant didn't get 5 years. I wonder if we ever get compensation numbers.

Im guessing AV will be one of the last coachs to get 5 years for a while. Other teams will use him as a cautionary tale after seeing how god awful he was in Year 2.

 

[deadhead]

Im guessing AV will be one of the last coachs to get 5 years for a while. Other teams will use him as a cautionary tale after seeing how god awful he was in Year 2.

I doubt it. They'll just ignore last season.
What will make or break AV's reputation around the league will be this season.
Teams have clusterf--k seasons, what makes a good coach is learning and adjusting after that kind of season.

I mean HCs can't play goal. Give the Flyers an average goalie and they're neck and neck for the last PO spot.

 

[baudib1]

What also sucks is that, in addition to being completely incompetent as coaches, they’re also just garbage human beings and incredibly unlikable.

And it’s not just them, it’s from top to bottom:
Most of the fanbase are braindead trash.
The media are arrogant shills.
The broadcast pair are stupid shill cavemen.
AV and Therrien are scum.
Fletcher is the human equivalent of soggy corn flakes, with the brains to match.
Holmgren is an empty shell.
Dave Scott is a lizard.

The only aspect of this org that isn’t complete shit is a small handful of the players. Everything else is horrendous.

They're only 10 years away from being 2 years away.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

What also sucks is that, in addition to being completely incompetent as coaches, they’re also just garbage human beings and incredibly unlikable.

And it’s not just them, it’s from top to bottom:
Most of the fanbase are braindead trash.
The media are arrogant shills.
The broadcast pair are stupid shill cavemen.
AV and Therrien are scum.
Fletcher is the human equivalent of soggy corn flakes, with the brains to match.
Holmgren is an empty shell.
Dave Scott is a lizard.

The only aspect of this org that isn’t complete shit is a small handful of the players. Everything else is horrendous.

This post makes me think you're having a bad day.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I doubt it. They'll just ignore last season.
What will make or break AV's reputation around the league will be this season.
Teams have clusterf--k seasons, what makes a good coach is learning and adjusting after that kind of season.

I mean HCs can't play goal. Give the Flyers an average goalie and they're neck and neck for the last PO spot.

AV has had consistent problems for a long time. There were disastrous aspects of the team unrelated to goaltending which have undone him in the past too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're only 10 years away from being 2 years away.

Yeah, but it's 10 Fahrenheit years away from being 2 Celsius years away. Once you convert to make it all standard, it's 10 years away from being 10 years away.

Like fusion power, the Flyers are always 25 years away.

 

[GKJ]

There were people who thought we were firing AV to hire Gallant?

Don't get that one. If you didn't like the AV hire or don't like it now, you shouldn't like a Gallant hire either.

That said, I do like it for the Rangers. They are the same place we were 2 years ago, where they were forced to make this kind of experienced hire.

 

[tucson83]

There were people who thought we were firing AV to hire Gallant?

Don't get that one. If you didn't like the AV hire or don't like it now, you shouldn't like a Gallant hire either.

That said, I do like it for the Rangers. They are the same place we were 2 years ago, where they were forced to make this kind of experienced hire.

gallant isnt really an upgrade over av actually alot of these coaches on the block arent cooper, trotz, sullivan types either, otherwise they would have been hired right after the regular season ended. it's the reason why av is still here is because there's no one really that good that's on the block.

 

[GKJ]

gallant isnt really an upgrade over av actually alot of these coaches on the block arent cooper, trotz, sullivan types either, otherwise they would have been hired right after the regular season ended. it's the reason why av is still here is because there's no one really that good that's on the block.

None of these have anything to do with the others. Gallant had accepted that Canada job and was going to do that first. The Rangers interviewed him before he left.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What also sucks is that, in addition to being completely incompetent as coaches, they’re also just garbage human beings and incredibly unlikable.

And it’s not just them, it’s from top to bottom:
Most of the fanbase are braindead trash.
The media are arrogant shills.
The broadcast pair are stupid shill cavemen.
AV and Therrien are scum.
Fletcher is the human equivalent of soggy corn flakes, with the brains to match.
Holmgren is an empty shell.
Dave Scott is a lizard.

The only aspect of this org that isn’t complete shit is a small handful of the players. Everything else is horrendous.

This post makes me think you're having a bad day.

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[deadhead]

Well, we could have hired Lavi. Great job in Washington.
Of course, his goalies were below average, similar to the Flyers in 2017-18.
Maybe goalies matter more than most HCs?

And do systems make goalies?
Varlamov really is no better in New York than he was with the Avs, at least during the regular season.
He's become a better PO performer, but that's more on him than the scheme. Some guys learn to deal with pressure, some don't (Bob).

I'm just a bit skeptical of HCs period, for example, is Ducharme better than Julien, or is Price just playing out of his gourd in the playoffs.

 

[Striiker]

This post makes me think you're having a bad day.

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Every day that I wake up is a bad day. Unfortunately it keeps happening.

 

[Chinatown88]

Every day that I wake up is a bad day. Unfortunately it keeps happening.

 

[Tripod]

Im guessing AV will be one of the last coachs to get 5 years for a while. Other teams will use him as a cautionary tale after seeing how god awful he was in Year 2.

Didn't you think we would win our division this year?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Gallant was fired in Florida b/c he was a dinosaur who preferred big, slow physical defensemen and hated analytics.
In fact, he got fired in both Florida and Vegas 22 and 49 games into his 3rd season, both times after making the playoffs the previous year.
You have to be special to piss off two GMs in 4 years to that extent.

Or Vegas noticed that he wasn’t getting the job done despite, I believe, being in a high playoff position so they moved on from him.

The Flyers won’t do that.

 

[Rebels57]

There were people who thought we were firing AV to hire Gallant?

Don't get that one. If you didn't like the AV hire or don't like it now, you shouldn't like a Gallant hire either.

That said, I do like it for the Rangers. They are the same place we were 2 years ago, where they were forced to make this kind of experienced hire.

Why? Gallant is a flat-out better coach. He gets the most out of his rosters. He's not hanging his hat on two runs with Hall of Famer calibre goaltending from 10 and 7 years ago. Gallant teams are hard to play against. Vigneault teams are decidedly not. It's a mortal lock that the Rangers will finish ahead of the Flyers next season.

 

[Rebels57]

Didn't you think we would win our division this year?

I was hopeful AV would revert back to our pre-bubble system and the additions of Lindblom, Patrick, and Frost would be a major boon on top of that.

None of that happened and now i'm confident we will continue to play AV 2.0's garbage brand of hockey after the coachs took no responsibility for the failures we endured this past season and instead blamed covid and goaltending.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

AV, Babcock, etc. NHL coaches aren’t really worth the money these organizations pay out. Like a lot of things in hockey these organizations are too lazy &/or ignorant to do their homework & expand their talent pool.

So they just operate off conventional wisdom which just gives value to same people over & over again.

 

[sigma six]

Not Seattle-bound after all I guess, but

Gallant was fired in Florida b/c he was a dinosaur who preferred big, slow physical defensemen and hated analytics.
In fact, he got fired in both Florida and Vegas 22 and 49 games into his 3rd season, both times after making the playoffs the previous year.
You have to be special to piss off two GMs in 4 years to that extent.

if that's true then he never would have been high on Francis' list anyway. They seem intent on living or dying by analytics.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Can't wait for Flyers to get run over against next year the Rags and have AV blame the players. f***ing bet on it.

 

[Tripod]

I was hopeful AV would revert back to our pre-bubble system and the additions of Lindblom, Patrick, and Frost would be a major boon on top of that.

None of that happened and now i'm confident we will continue to play AV 2.0's garbage brand of hockey after the coachs took no responsibility for the failures we endured this past season and instead blamed covid and goaltending.

He is just messing with you.

This year we win the division.