Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LX: Covid Cup II nears its finale

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CanadianFlyer88

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Then maybe copycat teams will get way more serious about giving young players a shot.
Or paying goalies $10M+. :sarcasm:

Interestingly, Carey Price is the first player making $10M+ to win a series in the salary cap era. There are only 13 players currently making $10M+ and three play for the Leafs, two play for LA and two play for Chicago. Two of those teams paid their stars after they won something. :laugh:
 

kudymen

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Or paying goalies $10M+. :sarcasm:

Interestingly, Carey Price is the first player making $10M+ to win a series in the salary cap era. There are only 13 players currently making $10M+ and three play for the Leafs, two play for LA and two play for Chicago. Two of those teams paid their stars after they won something. :laugh:

All I see here is you suggesting we should have paid Bryzgalov more
 

Beef Invictus

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Or paying goalies $10M+. :sarcasm:

Interestingly, Carey Price is the first player making $10M+ to win a series in the salary cap era. There are only 13 players currently making $10M+ and three play for the Leafs, two play for LA and two play for Chicago. Two of those teams paid their stars after they won something. :laugh:

I think he, Lundquist, and Quick are the only goalies making 7 or more to do anything in the playoffs too
 
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Tripod

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I haven't been plugged in recently, but I wonder if Vegas winning a Cup would do anything to budge the idea that you need elite Centers to win.

Winning or losing a Finals shouldn't be the deciding factor, but that's often how it works.
It's really about a Norris level Dman.

Since 2006, only Pitt has won a cup without a Norris level Dman on their team, and he was in 2016...hurt in 2017. But when you have 2 of the top 5 C in the world... Anyways, here is the list.

Hedman
Pietrangelo
Carlsson
Letang
Keith
Doughty
Keith
Doughty
Chara
Keith
Lidstrom
Pronger/Neidermyer
 
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Captain Dave Poulin

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Or paying goalies $10M+. :sarcasm:

Interestingly, Carey Price is the first player making $10M+ to win a series in the salary cap era. There are only 13 players currently making $10M+ and three play for the Leafs, two play for LA and two play for Chicago. Two of those teams paid their stars after they won something. :laugh:

To be fair to these dinosaur idiots, that is one decision that is legitimately difficult, shedding someone like Toews, for example, who has helped you to three Cups.
 

deadhead

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It's really about a Norris level Dman.

Since 2006, only Pitt has won a cup without a Norris level Dman on their team, and he was in 2016...hurt in 2017. But when you have 2 of the top 5 C in the world... Anyways, here is the list.

Hedman
Pietrangelo
Carlsson
Letang
Keith
Doughty
Keith
Doughty
Chara
Keith
Lidstrom
Pronger/Neidermyer

I don't know if you need a Norris level D-man, but since top D-men play 25+ minutes a night in the playoffs, they tend to have a greater impact than top centers.
 

Tripod

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I don't know if you need a Norris level D-man, but since top D-men play 25+ minutes a night in the playoffs, they tend to have a greater impact than top centers.
It's easy to say you don't need one....but the SC winners all do have one.
 

deadhead

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Then maybe copycat teams will get way more serious about giving young players a shot.

Montreal
Suzuki (21), Caufield (20), Kotkaniemi (20). #13, #15, #3
the only other player under 25 is Evans (24), and he has only played 4 games.

Flyers
Farabee (20), TK (23), Patrick (22), Allison (23), Hart (22), Laczynski (23)
Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Lindblom, NAK (24)

I think the real lesson is have as many top 15 draft picks as possible.
 

deadhead

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I haven't been plugged in recently, but I wonder if Vegas winning a Cup would do anything to budge the idea that you need elite Centers to win.

Winning or losing a Finals shouldn't be the deciding factor, but that's often how it works.

I think both the elite center and Norris winning defenseman have it ass backward.
What you need is an above average top six and top four.
Having an elite player makes that easier to accomplish, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
 

deadhead

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Having an “above average” top 6/4 does not make you a contender. It makes you above average. :laugh:

I dunno, I'll bet most contenders are "above average."
Of course, there is Montreal, but they have Price, the great equalizer.
 

Domino666

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It's really about a Norris level Dman.

Since 2006, only Pitt has won a cup without a Norris level Dman on their team, and he was in 2016...hurt in 2017. But when you have 2 of the top 5 C in the world... Anyways, here is the list.

Hedman
Pietrangelo
Carlsson
Letang
Keith
Doughty
Keith
Doughty
Chara
Keith
Lidstrom
Pronger/Neidermyer
But having a good to great system in place and having it executed well is just as important or more
 
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