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ThatGuy22

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Sooo Zucker has 1 good season, yes 1.. where he scores 33 goals on a near 15% shooting and now he holds similar value to Stone? The guy that's been a 2 way force for about 3 years now and would be considered for Team Canada. LOLLLL to the OP trying to argue they are "similar or marginal".. not even close. He's Ottawa's BEST FORWARD.

Contracts aside, Zucker doesn't hold Stones jockstrap... close this crap thread.

It would have been closed if you didn't revive it. what did you dig to page 5?
 

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So I can't go to page 3 and call out some delusional Wild fan.. gotcha bud, didn't know the rules...
Ahh yes, asking the difference is between two players is delusional. Never change HF, never change. Why even have a discussion board? Whole site is pointless using your logic.
 

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Ahh yes, asking the difference is between two players is delusional. Never change HF, never change. Why even have a discussion board? Whole site is pointless using your logic.

No, the delusion is thinking the difference between a player of Zucker's caliber vs Stone is a "small add or marginal difference".

Player discussion is fine but if the value or logic of the proposal is nonsense, then I just call it like I see it.

Or maybe as a Sens fan I'm SICK AND TIRED of coming to the trade boards and seeing other fans trying to poach Karlsson, Duchene and Stone for pennies on the dollar by saying "budget, Eugene is cheap, you can't afford them etc."

Granlund is a much better comparable if we're talking skill/impact wise but of course, offer us crap instead.......
 

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No, the delusion is thinking the difference between a player of Zucker's caliber vs Stone is a "small add or marginal difference".

Player discussion is fine but if the value or logic of the proposal is nonsense, then I just call it like I see it.

Or maybe as a Sens fan I'm SICK AND TIRED of coming to the trade boards and seeing other fans trying to poach Karlsson, Duchene and Stone for pennies on the dollar by saying "budget, Eugene is cheap, you can't afford them etc."

Granlund is a much better comparable if we're talking skill/impact wise but of course, offer us crap instead.......
I’d love for you to point out where in the OP it says that.

Zucker isn’t exactly far from Granlund in value. Which leads me to believe you have no idea what Zucker’s value is.
Dzingel + for Zucker, does that work for Wild fans?
I’d say + your 1st, but you already traded that away :)
 

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I’d love for you to point out where in the OP it says that.

Zucker isn’t exactly far from Granlund in value. Which leads me to believe you have no idea what Zucker’s value is.

I’d say + your 1st, but you already traded that away :)

So in other words you'd want the + to be a more valuable piece than the centrepiece in the proposed trade.

That's exactly how we feel in this thread.
 
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I’d love for you to point out where in the OP it says that.

Zucker isn’t exactly far from Granlund in value. Which leads me to believe you have no idea what Zucker’s value is.

I’d say + your 1st, but you already traded that away :)

How are their values close at all? pleaseeeee elaborate. Also my apologies, not OP but AKL was rather insistent the difference between them is marginal.

If you leave out last season, Zucker's previous years are nothing special at all. Is he a physical presence? Is he a possession driver? 2 way specialist? Take away expert?

Sorry if I don't want to trade a 1st line winger in Stone for a guy who just had their first season of top line production, which is not guaranteed to be replicated or consistent going forward.

If Zucker can put up 2 more seasons of what we just saw, maybe, but as of now PLEASE KEEP HIM IF HES SO DAMN VALUABLE...
 

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So in other words you'd want the + to be a more valuable piece than the centrepiece in the proposed trade.

That's exactly how we feel in this thread.
Dzingel isn’t the equivalent to Zucker in your scenario though. It’s funny though cause they receive about the same ice time. Then there is Stone who’s playing 4 more minutes per game than both of them, 2 more minutes per game even strength, 1 more minute per game of power play time. Stone averages more pp toi than Suter, Minnesota’s top power play toi/game guy.

Implying that a piece bigger than Zucker would needed to be added to Minnesota from a pure value standpoint is mind-blowing. Zucker+Granlund? You’re crazy. Zucker+Dumba? I’d love whatever you’re smoking. Zucker+Spurgeon? You’re out to lunch. Those are the three tradeable players that Zucker has less value than.
 

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Dzingel isn’t the equivalent to Zucker in your scenario though. It’s funny though cause they receive about the same ice time. Then there is Stone who’s playing 4 more minutes per game than both of them, 2 more minutes per game even strength, 1 more minute per game of power play time. Stone averages more pp toi than Suter, Minnesota’s top power play toi/game guy.

Implying that a piece bigger than Zucker would needed to be added to Minnesota from a pure value standpoint is mind-blowing. Zucker+Granlund? You’re crazy. Zucker+Dumba? I’d love whatever you’re smoking. Zucker+Spurgeon? You’re out to lunch. Those are the three tradeable players that Zucker has less value than.

Those are all offers I would consider for Stone. Still not entirely sure I would take any of them.

Zucker has had ONE good season man. ONE. All his other seasons are pretty much Dzingel level.
 
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Those are all offers I would consider for Stone. Still not entirely sure I would take any of them.

Zucker has had ONE good season man. ONE. All his other seasons are pretty much Dzingel level.
I bet you would “consider them.” Those other three players are just as valuable as Stone and then there’s a 60pt forward in addition. Saying you’re not sure you would take any of those just shows your blatant homerism.

You keep saying that. Yet his 5v5 numbers didn’t change much the last two years. Difference is he finally got PP time. So no, it wasn’t “one good season.” You just don’t know anything about Zucker. You can admit it or not, but your words show it.
 

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I bet you would “consider them.” Those other three players are just as valuable as Stone and then there’s a 60pt forward in addition. Saying you’re not sure you would take any of those just shows your blatant homerism.

You keep saying that. Yet his 5v5 numbers didn’t change much the last two years. Difference is he finally got PP time. So no, it wasn’t “one good season.” You just don’t know anything about Zucker. You can admit it or not, but your words show it.

Dumba or Spurgeon alone, while being great players, do not have the value of Mark Stone just stop.... your words definitely show your blatant homerism though.. by all means go make a poll if want validation.

I literally don't care about his ice time argument, Zucker is a fine player but again, no interest in acquiring him for Stone, like none. Move ALONG.
 
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Mark Stone has a career PPG of 0.81 (0.85 if you remove the 23 games from 2012-14 when he was just getting called up)
He has lead the league in takeaways during the 2014, 2015, 2016 seasons and lead in takeaways per game in 2017. By fairly large margins too.
His career shooting% is 15.5, so no flukes there.
Basically a lock for 20-25ish goals and 60+ points a season and proved this year that he can go full PPG (on pace for 40+G, 82+ pts).

He is a defensive beast, a playmaking wizard and can score in the clutch when needed. Please stop comparing Zucker to Mark Stone.. just please...
 

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I bet you would “consider them.” Those other three players are just as valuable as Stone and then there’s a 60pt forward in addition. Saying you’re not sure you would take any of those just shows your blatant homerism.

You keep saying that. Yet his 5v5 numbers didn’t change much the last two years. Difference is he finally got PP time. So no, it wasn’t “one good season.” You just don’t know anything about Zucker. You can admit it or not, but your words show it.

I created a poll to ask unbiased folks who has more value Stone or Granlund. Should be a very lopsided result and I'll make sure to come back to let you know.

The irony of you calling me a homer is simply hilarious here.
 

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I created a poll to ask unbiased folks who has more value Stone or Granlund. Should be a very lopsided result and I'll make sure to come back to let you know.

The irony of you calling me a homer is simply hilarious here.
The homerism isn’t Granlund vs Stone bud, it’s Granlund+Zucker vs Stone. Reading comprehension is key.
 
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I created a poll to ask unbiased folks who has more value Stone or Granlund. Should be a very lopsided result and I'll make sure to come back to let you know.

The irony of you calling me a homer is simply hilarious here.

You’re right, calling you a homer doesn’t do it justice.

Zucker+Granlund
Zucker+Dumba
Zucker+Spurgeon

And you’re not sure you’d accept any of those for Stone? That’s well beyond homer level.
 

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"Those other three players are just as valuable as Stone" - you

Keep back pedalling though by all means.
I’m not back pedaling. Granlund’s career high is better than Stone’s (pace means nothing). Granlund has two more years at under $6m and there’s no indication he won’t sign long term. What’s Stone looking at? Arbitration and then walking in a year?
 

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You’re right, calling you a homer doesn’t do it justice.

Zucker+Granlund
Zucker+Dumba
Zucker+Spurgeon

And you’re not sure you’d accept any of those for Stone? That’s well beyond homer level.

Granlund + Spurgeon yes... Zucker does not need to be included at all, he wouldn't be as valuable to Ottawa with Boucher than he would to Minny with Boudreau.

So yes, an over-payment is necessary to get our best forward, WOW WHO WOULD OF THOUGHT. Why would we want to give up one of the better 2 way wingers in the game?
 

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Granlund + Spurgeon yes... Zucker does not need to be included at all, he wouldn't be as valuable to Ottawa with Boucher than he would to Minny with Boudreau.

So yes, an over-payment is necessary to get our best forward, WOW WHO WOULD OF THOUGHT. Why would we want to give up one of the better 2 way wingers in the game?
Yikes. Maybe I should create a poll.
 

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I’m not back pedaling. Granlund’s career high is better than Stone’s (pace means nothing). Granlund has two more years at under $6m and there’s no indication he won’t sign long term. What’s Stone looking at? Arbitration and then walking in a year?

I am really interested in what one of the best 2-way wingers in the game who can also score 80+ points will get on a one year deal.

8-9M?
 

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You’re a tweak guy. He didn’t say they were similar or mirginaly different, he simply asked what the add would need to be.
 

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Yikes. Maybe I should create a poll.

I think Sens and Minny fans can all agree that there isn't a middle ground offer that both sides would be happy with in a Stone trade (mainly because Sens fans have next to no interest in such a trade.)

Unreasonable offers were the only way this thread was ever going to go.
 
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