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How far off in value is this and do Senators fans have any interest in a deal like this?
Not sure what the + would be, but open to a discussion about it.
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Stone
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How far off in value is this and do Senators fans have any interest in a deal like this?
Not sure what the + would be, but open to a discussion about it.
Stuzchuk
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Impressed, only two replies before some real stupid shit was said.
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The plus would have to be fairly large. Zucker is a good player but Mark Stone is better at both ends. Given the circumstances of OTT right now it could be a little lower than what should be. Depending on what both players contract asks are I’d imagine a first? Not sure how highly Brodin is viewed but maybe him with an add on OTTs side (lower add)
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The difference between Zucker and Stone is not Brodin, especially if the assumption that Stone won’t sign long term in Ottawa is true.
If you look at the underlying numbers either this year, the last two years, or even the last three years, they’re not THAT far apart. Stone is better offensively, but not by much. Defensively it’s hard to quantify. You can listen to the talking heads tell you how great Stone is defensively, but he only has marginally more SH TOI/g than Zucker despite being on a much worse team, and Zucker’s +/- is also better over the last three years, which also points to the fact that Stone has had a significant advantage in PP opportunity, giving him an edge on the point producing side.
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Look, I won't pretend I watch Ottawa games and I'm not going to be one of those guys who craps on another team's guy after a someone from my fan base proposes to trade for them but Zucker scored 33 goals last year (Stone's never gotten more than 26 and that was 4 years ago) and had 64 points. Stone may be better but the difference between the two is certainly not huge (it's certainly not Brodin, who probably has more value than Zucker).
Ottawa's reality sucks right now - most of their guys will be looking to get out of there. None of their trade pieces are going to fetch what they otherwise would on the open market.
Ottawa's reality sucks right now - most of their guys will be looking to get out of there. None of their trade pieces are going to fetch what they otherwise would on the open market.
Explain how a discussion between the difference of Stone and Zucker is stupid. Zucker isn’t exactly chopped liver here and like AKL said, this is assuming Stone doesn’t want to sign long term with Ottawa.
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Well, that's a completely unfounded assumption.
Let's make the assumption that Zucker doesn't want to sign long term in Minnesota. What do we need to add to Ryan Dzingel to get him?
Start with Dumba and add.
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You’re right, it hasn’t been confirmed whether he will or not, but so far he hasn’t, and this is a discussion board, so let’s pretend he won’t sign, and go from there.
You’re off your f***ing rocker if you think Dumba gets traded for a 26 year old 60 point RW. A guy who’s one year from UFA.
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The point of the trade is primarily to draw from an overabundance of left shot wingers and add a second right shot winger. Coyle is the only other righty in our top-9. Stone represents a potential upgrade to our top-6 that way as well, though he's still never actually put up more points than Zucker did this year. And Zucker is the better goal scorer.
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The main point from our end would be to trade a lefty for a righty.
As far as our wingers go, at the NHL level and in the system...
Left-handed: Parise, Granlund, Nino, Zucker, Greenway, Sokolov, Kaprizov
Right-handed: Coyle, Kunin (might be a center)
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I think most concede that Stone is better, so the is that if Ott cant resign him. Also Helps out imbalance between RW and LW.
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And to further display the lack of right-handed players in the top-9, Staal, Koivu and Eriksson Ek at C are all lefty as well.
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Stone is marginally better, yes. If the point of the deal was to acquire a big upgrade over Zucker, we'd look to see if we could acquire Panarin. As it is, I think the primary goal of this deal is to swap a lefty for a righty.
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We don't have RW prospects either except for Kunin who could arguably be a tandem center with Eriksson Ek depending on what happens with Staal and Koivu.
Like I said, this deal ONLY happens if Ottawa can't sign Stone to a long term contract that they're satisfied with. Because of that as well, any high level prospect (Kunin, Greenway, Kaprizov) is a no go. That would be too much value going to Ottawa for a marginal upgrade and a shift of handedness.
Again, the basis for the deal is:
Zucker (4-6 yrs, ~$6M)
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for
Stone (RFA or 1 yr deal)
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Yes, Stone is marginally better because the only thing he has over Zucker is more than a one year track record. To go along with that, Stone has also seen significantly more PP time and premier offensive minutes in general over the past 3 years, and even still does not score at a significantly higher P/60 rate. His career high in points is 64, which is how many Zucker scored last year. Zucker is also the better goal scorer.
