Proposal: Minesota and Montreal

[Jpageman]

Hey guys

Im just wondering if this could be possible and/or interesting for both teams.

to Minesota: Price

to Montreal: Suter

I know Suter has a nmc but i thought this could be a good fit for both teams?

let me know

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[L4br3cqu3]

Hey guys

Im just wondering if this could be possible and/or interesting for both teams.

to Minesota: Price

to Montreal: Suter

I know Suter has a nmc but i thought this could be a good fit for both teams?

let me know

Without Price, Montreal is rebuilding.

How does having Suter on a rebuilding team helps Montreal ?

Price has a NMC too, by the way.

 

[Jpageman]

Without Price, Montreal is rebuilding.

How does having Suter on a rebuilding team helps Montreal ?

Price has a NMC too, by the way.

i know but i mean is this a trade that could be done in the off season?

 

[razor8]

i know but i mean is this a trade that could be done in the off season?

Realistically no. In an EA Sports NHL game, yes.

 

[Tanknation]

I don't see the point. We need to acquire picks and prospects. If Montreal retains salary that should not be an issue in a trade.

 

[Jpageman]

I don't see the point. We need to acquire picks and prospects. If Montreal retains salary that should not be an issue in a trade.

Thank you

 

[57special]

Why even speculate, it's not going to happen. MTL wins this trade. Suter is still playing at a high level. Price is not what he once was. Suter and Weber would once again be the best D pairing in the league, as Suter appears to be fully recovered from his foot injury.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Suter is still a top pair defensmen on a reasonable deal, and Price is a pile of poop making 10.5 a year. Add in recapture and it makes less sense for MN.

 

[Price4Prez]

Are we talking about the same Suter here? Last i checked-he is no where near his Norris nominee playing days.
Contracts play a part yes,but Price is worth much more than this Suter.

 

[BagHead]

There are some issues with it. Price may be better than Dubnyk, but is 32 years old and struggling, himself. Another issue for the Wild is that Suter is our best defenseman, still, and still worth his contract. Which brings us to another issue: Cap recapture. Suter won't get traded simply because of the cap recapture penalties if he retires before the contract is up.

Personally, I wouldn't make the trade even if contracts weren't an issue. What do we do with Dubnyk if we take on Price? If we make him the backup, what do we do with Stalock? Take time away from the two promising young goalies in the AHL? Who plays as the #4 defeseman in our top 4? Hunt is better as a PP specialist with sheltered minutes, Soucy is surprisingly good but not top-4-good. Pateryn is still injured, but last year when healthy he was great as a 3rd pairing guy, and terrible as a 2nd pairing guy. Can Dumba be the #1 defenseman? I mean, you can force him into the role, but I think he's a really good #2 who is playing #3. Changing that significantly worsens the defense.

Immediately, what's worth more to the Wild? Having Dubnyk behind a really good defense or having Price behind a mediocre defense?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Realistically no. In an EA Sports NHL game, yes.

Not on hard trading, no

 

[razor8]

Not on hard trading, no

Don't know what that is. It's been a few years since I've played any NHL game. Good thing if they've made the trading better.

 

[TaLoN]

No way in hell do I want a goaltender making the $$ that Price is making. Suter is well worth his cap number, Price is not.

On top of that, why would Minnesota want to risk the cap recapture penalty that they expose themselves to by trading Suter?

No. No deal here to be had.

 

[Lockin17]

Close that thread , dosen't make sense

 

[Baksfamous112]

There are some issues with it. Price may be better than Dubnyk, but is 32 years old and struggling, himself. Another issue for the Wild is that Suter is our best defenseman, still, and still worth his contract. Which brings us to another issue: Cap recapture. Suter won't get traded simply because of the cap recapture penalties if he retires before the contract is up.

Personally, I wouldn't make the trade even if contracts weren't an issue. What do we do with Dubnyk if we take on Price? If we make him the backup, what do we do with Stalock? Take time away from the two promising young goalies in the AHL? Who plays as the #4 defeseman in our top 4? Hunt is better as a PP specialist with sheltered minutes, Soucy is surprisingly good but not top-4-good. Pateryn is still injured, but last year when healthy he was great as a 3rd pairing guy, and terrible as a 2nd pairing guy. Can Dumba be the #1 defenseman? I mean, you can force him into the role, but I think he's a really good #2 who is playing #3. Changing that significantly worsens the defense.

Immediately, what's worth more to the Wild? Having Dubnyk behind a really good defense or having Price behind a mediocre defense?

He’s struggled one month (November 2019) this past year. Not sure where you’re getting your info but it’s wrong

 

[Digitalbooya]

Are we talking about the same Suter here? Last i checked-he is no where near his Norris nominee playing days.
Contracts play a part yes,but Price is worth much more than this Suter.

You say things.

There would be hell to pay if Minnesota ever considered this. You don't pay $10.5m for a goalie and give up a reasonably priced #1D in the process.

 

[Roywall]

Why even speculate, it's not going to happen. MTL wins this trade. Suter is still playing at a high level. Price is not what he once was. Suter and Weber would once again be the best D pairing in the league, as Suter appears to be fully recovered from his foot injury.

Suter is still a top pair defensmen on a reasonable deal, and Price is a pile of poop making 10.5 a year. Add in recapture and it makes less sense for MN.

I don't understand responses like these. Not a single person prior to your responses claimed Suter was bad. There is no evidence to suggest "Price is not what he once was", unless your comparing him to his Hart days. Last year he was terrible in November and good or great in other months. Overall, he was good.

Carey Price 2018-19 MTL G 66 64 35 24 0 6 1952 1791 161 .918 2.49 3,880:1540112 That's pretty close to his career average.

This year, he once again had a terrible November.

Carey Price G 10 10 6 3 0 1 302 276 26 .914 2.59 602:29 1 0 0 0 0 This year minus November, it's not that bad. If you consider that last year his best stretches were after November, I think it at least follows logic that his stats should improve.

Playing behind a middle of the road defense, I can't imagine anybody would think he's poop making 10.5 million a year. Maybe a good goaltender (minus November) making 10.5 million. Nobody knows how the rest of the year will go. He could be terrible, or he could be good, or he could be average.

Just feels like an immature post "especially the poop one" that usually follows... you called my player bad so I'll call your player worse.

 

[TaLoN]

I don't understand responses like these. Not a single person prior to your responses claimed Suter was bad. There is no evidence to suggest "Price is not what he once was", unless your comparing him to his Hart days. Last year he was terrible in November and good or great in other months. Overall, he was good.

Carey Price 2018-19 MTL G 66 64 35 24 0 6 1952 1791 161 .918 2.49 3,880:1540112 That's pretty close to his career average.

This year, he once again had a terrible November.

Carey Price G 10 10 6 3 0 1 302 276 26 .914 2.59 602:29 1 0 0 0 0 This year minus November, it's not that bad. If you consider that last year his best stretches were after November, I think it at least follows logic that his stats should improve.

Playing behind a middle of the road defense, I can't imagine anybody would think he's poop making 10.5 million a year. Maybe a good goaltender (minus November) making 10.5 million. Nobody knows how the rest of the year will go. He could be terrible, or he could be good, or he could be average.

Just feels like an immature post "especially the poop one" that usually follows... you called my player bad so I'll call your player worse.

None of that changes the simple fact that no way does this make any sense for the Wild...at...all.

Suter is a bargain cap-wise. A high quality #1 D with a reasonable cap number. Trading him away puts the Wild in serious risk if a crippling recapture penalty.

Add in the fact that many believe (myself included) that in today's cap world, paying a goaltender elite goaltender money is one of the worst things that can happen to a franchise... why is this even being discussed at all?

No deal here to be had. Thread really should be closed.

 

[Digitalbooya]

@Roywall I just don't think .918sv% and 2.50 GAA is worth $10.5m a year. Dubnyk's been doing that for the 5 seasons prior to this year at $4.33m. Minnesota has young, cost-controlled goalies that are doing well in the AHL. Kahkonen did great in his first NHL start. Suter was a mixed bag last year, but looks to be his old self again this year. It sounds like you guys are happy with Price and Minnesota fans are happy with Suter. It doesn't really make sense to talk about trading two guys with no-movement clauses, especially when one has a potentially massive cap recapture penalty.

 

[Qwijibo]

Suter is 34 and signed for another 6 seasons. No way I roll the dice on a 34 year old staying relevant that long. Beyond that, Montreal has nobody ready to take the reins in net. This is an all around tire fire

 

[BagHead]

He’s struggled one month (November 2019) this past year. Not sure where you’re getting your info but it’s wrong

Sure, it's one month, which is over half the season. It's a small sample and he may be awesome from here on out. It doesn't change the fact that he's 32 and if we're trading our best defenseman (who is one of two players that would absolutely **** our cap space up if he retires early) for a goalie, the goalie better be about 6-8 years younger than that, and not struggling.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Suter is 34 and signed for another 6 seasons. No way I roll the dice on a 34 year old staying relevant that long. Beyond that, Montreal has nobody ready to take the reins in net. This is an all around tire fire

It's 5 seasons + the remainder of this year. Not another 6 after this one. Price is the one signed for 6 more seasons + the remainder of this season. I think Suter will maintain at least top 4 play for another 5 years. I'm not worried about his contract at all.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Sure, it's one month, which is over half the season. It's a small sample and he may be awesome from here on out. It doesn't change the fact that he's 32 and if we're trading our best defenseman (who is one of two players that would absolutely **** our cap space up if he retires early) for a goalie, the goalie better be about 6-8 years younger than that, and not struggling.

He’s 32 but Suter is turning 35 in less than two months and they both have big, long term contracts.

Although I understand where you are coming from, I just don’t see why the Habs would make that trade either. They have plenty of cap space, so Price’s cap hit is not an issue. They would be left with Kinkaid as their #1 too.

I never said you should or shouldn’t do that trade. I just pointed the fact that aside from both Novembers (2018,2019) Price has had at least .917 with an average of .922 throughout the last two years.

Whatever is going on with Carey right either is our problem and will remain our problem for a long time. Either its just a bad stretch and he get going again (then we’ll need him to be competitive) or it really is the start of his decline and we’re stuck with the contract.

Either way, he stay a Habs.

 

[Hunter368]

Close, not a realistic thread.