Confirmed Trade: [MIN/PIT] Jason Zucker for 2020 1st round pick, Alex Galchenyuk, and Calen Addison

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  1. Honour Over Glory

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    That would be a tough sell to get the Canes to want Bjugstad for Nino, the Pens are already giving up their 1st (conditional) and Addison in the Zucker trade and moved Chucky in that as well, so assets wise, the Pens are then digging into their prospect pool and picks even more and currently they don't have their 1st or 2nd in this year's draft.

    Picks can always be traded for near the draft, but there is just no way Bjug for Nino as the main pieces work without the Pens having to put in a pretty substantial add, then there's the cap issues that come along with that.

    If the Pens were going to trade with the Canes, I'd probably want Foegele and Edmundson as it fills more of the things the Pens need, an LD so JJ isn't a regular anymore and until Dumoulin is back and Foegele has some elements to his game that would really allow Sullivan to actually use him.
     
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    People don't really realize how special this team is and the gift that Crosby and Malkin have provided us over the past 15 seasons. Their teams will likely never do this, and thus they have to worry about the future. Pittsburgh is pretty unique in this regard in today's NHL. Our "future" will last as long as Crosby and Malkin continue playing at a high level. After that we'll crash hard and fast. And almost every single Pen fan will agree it was more than worth it.
     
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    Yeah the worst part of the Mario/Jagr era was that all we got out of it was 2 cups, they should have had more, with Geno & Sid's era, the Pens have won 3 cups, if they can win another 1 or 2 out of the rest of their careers, it would have been all worth it.

    The future isn't bleek though, guys like Jake, Marino, one of Jarry/Murray etc are guys that this team can definitely build around and if Marino is any indication, you can still get some damn good talent without having to draft them.
     
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    Which wasn't pure, dumb luck which they simply bumbled their way into. For sure there was some great pieces of luck which allowed the Pens to catch lightning in a bottle, but there was also several instances of bad luck which was crushing at the time and seemed to go against the Pens in a franchise altering way.
    Several of those came straight from decisions made by the NHL regarding the draft lottery.
    Many forget that the Pens were quite easily the worst team in the NHL after the 2003/04 season and the solace was in the knowledge that we would have great odds of picking up the most hyped prospect since Eric Lindros.
    Everyone looks at the odds and thinks that the Penguins, per lottery rules of finishing the previous season in last place had 25% odds of winning the lottery, which technically is true. But the team didn't care about winning the lottery. Because in order to have the top draft pick, and draft Alex Ovechkin, the Penguins just needed for the Blackhawks, the Caps or the Blue Jackets to NOT win. Because a team can only move up 4 spots based on where they finished the previous season, the Pens would retain the first overall pick if any of the 15 teams in the lottery (except for the 3 mentioned above) won. So 12 out of 15 teams could win the lottery and the Pens would still win and the odds of this happening was right around 50%. Great odds.
    Of course the Caps won, and it seemed like a huge kick in the nuts because at the time, the scouting community wasn't like today and all of the attention coming out at the time was rightfully focusing on Ovechkin. Very few people, especially fans on this side of the pond had even heard of Malkin, and even fewer expected that he would be just as good as Ovechkin. Reports started coming in about him weeks later which were actually pretty impressive but mostly the Pens fanbase wasn't happy and had pinned their hopes on winning the 2005 lottery, knowing that the team was even worse than in 2004 and thus would again have around 50% chance again to get the number one pick and grab a prospect hyped even more than Ovie and had been since he was 14. That of course would be one Sidney Crosby.

    Well the league then kicked our fanbase in the nuts once more by the labor dispute which killed the entire season.
    In the aftermath the lottery used (which was collectively bargained) was vastly different and the several criterias used placed 4 teams with the best chances of winning.
    Ironically, had Pittsburgh won the draft lottery in Ovie's year when they had a 50% chance of doing so, it is HIGHLY probable that they would never have drafted Crosby as one of the criteria for lowering a teams odds for winning the 05 lottery was your team couldn't have had a first overall draft pick from 2000/01 until then.
    So thanks again Washington!
    Problem is had the season played like expected, the 50% scenario for the Penguins to draft Sid was likely. And while the team was still 1 of the 4 with the greatest number of met criteria and the best chances of winning (along with Rangers, Sabres and BJ's) there was zero rules about how many slots a team which won the lottery could move up because no season was played thus no way of establishing a draft order based on the standings. So nobody could count on the rule limiting a team being able to only jump up four slots to protect their hold on their position or such a rule increasing the odds.
    And while the 4 teams which had met the established criteria did have the best odds equally, they were still pretty crappy because each of those 4 teams had only a firm 6.3% chance of winning the lottery.
    Which for fans who had sat through several seasons of bad hockey and who were convinced by having 2 years of great odds of a 50% chance of getting a franchise player there was a dang good chance of getting at least one, if not 2, to now have a 6.3% last chance of only getting one because of an incompetent commissioner was really depressing.

    Worked out but still find it interesting and I don't know that the details of how close it came to the teams in the East 0f having a wildly different power structure are all that common of knowledge
     
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    We"all" did, huh?
    Cuz I personally have never uttered a negative word about Malkin.

    And thank you kindly for the reminder that bitterness is unreasonable.
    Because pointing out losses at key moments clearly contradicts the point which I thought was obvious, which is the overall ride has been fun.
    Guess one misses that point when the team they follow hasn't won anything during their lifespan.
     
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    Nah mate, that was never the case. We were on pins and needles with Zatkoff starting sure, but the Crosby and Malkin bits? That's just rubbish. Every fan base here has a few that act that way and wander mostly on the main board and barely post in the Pens forum, I am sure those same folks aren't even active members here anymore.

    There has never been a point where any of us wanted Malkin or Crosby gone in a trade.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    What is it with hockey players wearing tuques inside? During the game last night they showed Guentzel and Dumoulin in the pressbox and both were in full suits, coats and tuques. Is it really that cold in the arena?
     
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    I have always thought that Nick Bjustad would look nice in a Habs sweater. I think Pittsburgh would be willing to help Montreal out by making this a reality AND we would even throw in Zack Aston-Reese! ZAR did have as many goals as Tatar sauce did last night :nod:
     
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    At least from discussions on the Penguins board, I think there are some Penguins fans that are setting their expectations for Zucker low because of how burned people got by Brassard. People were expecting massive things when the Penguins acquired Brassard, to the point where they thought he'd be hitting 50-60 points as a 3C, and he absolutely flopped in Pittsburgh. He was way worse for the Penguins than Galchenyuk was, and that's not an exaggeration.

    I've seen people on the Penguins board only expecting 40-45 points out of Zucker, and people think 55 points is an unreasonable expectation. I think it's just setting expectations low so you won't be disappointed.
     
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    Not a fan of Zucker, but think he is perfect for the Penguins. He is a passenger and needs someone to get him the puck in shooting positions. I think he'll produce great with Crosby and someone will grossly overpay him on his next contract based on that.

    And Penguin fans might not have seen it yet but about once a game he'll come off the ice on one leg, or hunched over, and you'll think he is really injured. You hope he doesn't miss time. He'll be back on for his next shift.
     

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