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Confirmed Trade: [MIN/BOS] Minnesota trades Charlie Coyle to Boston for Ryan Donato + 2019 5th Rd Pick
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Maybe someone else can explain it to you?You got me there. Hard to argue with your sound logic.
I’m still waiting for you to explain how Donato was a good top 9W for Boston when he was on pace for 20pts while being given plenty of PP and top 6 time?
It’s great that he’s been good for Minny for 6 games, but he wasn’t at all for Boston.
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Donato wasn’t a fit on the 3rd line because he wasn’t good defensively and that isn’t acceptable in the bottom 6. Boston couldn’t even skate a 3rd line because they weren’t trusted defensively and were not good enough offensively to supplant lines 1 and 2 in offensive situations. Donato was part of the problem as Boston didn’t have a way to hide him on that line with 2 other inexperienced players/he wasn’t good enough to supplant the top 6 wingers on the left side.
I still don’t think he’s good enough to play on the 3rd line but he’s certainly good enough to play top 6 if better options aren’t available. He’s a lot like what Ryan spooner was. Not strong enough defensively to fit on the 3rd line, and not good enough offensively to be a top teams top 6 forward. Donato has higher upside but worst case he’s a talented powerplay and shout out specialist who plays sheltered minutes 5v5.
ok let me break it down for you.
Donato played with
DeBrusk Krejci Donato.
That didn't go very well. Donato was having a tough time playing against better competition. Totally fair for a guy just out of college. He was trying to learn the 200 ft game on the fly. He was pensive and over thinking it. He was bad defensively and then he was bad offensively because of it.
So they moved him to the 3rd line. Which generally has been a disaster for Boston all year.
The 3rd line continued to be a disaster with Donato on it. It was actually worse.
It was a disaster because the Bruins were playing rookie centers with David Backes. The rookie centers could not drive possession and Backes was 4 steps behind. Donato made it worse with his poor puck possession game.
Getting a solid two way puck control guy like Coyle allowed that line to cycle (still something Backes can do) and keep possession and at least not get run out of the building.
Nordstrom/Cehlarik Coyle Backes still are not scoring... but they are surviving and posting positive CF% and you don't have to hide them.
Donato on that line wasn't a difference maker. The line didn't score AND it suffered from Donato's defense and lack of puck possession game. Donato may be a better all around player than Nordstrom. Or Backes. But, on that line in that role with so little help he was worse. Honestly, far far worse.
Hopefully, when Pasta comes back, the Bruins can put together a 3rd line with at least two quality top 9 people on it for the first time this year. Maybe in an ideal world Donato could have been one of those people. Maybe. That was the plan coming into the season. But, it didn't look like he was going to be ready this year at any point in the NHL OR even in the AHL this year. I'm super bummed Donato is gone. But, again, the Bruins have Marchand and DeBrusk FAR FAR FAR FAR ahead of him. Heinen, another left shot wing, is the same age and is a far more complete player today. Bjork, yes another left shot wing, is right at the same level as Donato as a prospect. Bruins have plenty of young left shot wings. What they don't have is a whole lot of years of Bergeron or middle six centers or middle six right wings. The Wild wanted a prospect we didn't want to give up, but one we could. Thats how trades work.
Its hilarious to me how you think you can know more about the make up of someone else team.
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I don't have any idea why this is a pissing contest. Coyle's a bit snakebitten right now but looked fantastic in the game I watched. He's like that - plays well on the puck, skates well but doesn't score for a while. He'll get hot again eventually - probably in the playoffs. In the meantime, he contributes in a lot of other ways. He's like the ultimate utility infielder (to put it in baseball terms). He's just a good, solid hockey player - I love the guy. Donato's been really good for us. Why the f*** can't this just be a win-win and move the f*** on?
Minnesota is trying to also dump cap space where they can. So, Coyle will be a good 3rd line player. But his cap hit and his impending UFA after next year would be problematic for the Wild. If he continues to slide offensively, well - they wouldn't have gotten a tier 1/1.5 prospect for him.
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If Donato was as good (right now) as some people in this thread are making out Sweeney wouldn't have traded him, and he wouldn't have been in Providence when Boston traded him. Boston was desperate for middle six help and Donato wasn't able to crack the lineup.
He (Donato) needs strength training badly. He gets that and he'll be a good player for Minny.
It was a win-win trade for both teams. Boston got a middle-six player/3rd line center with a year left on his contract that they can put into the lineup now. They gave up one of their weakest (current) winger prospects who wasn't on the roster, and is turning RFA.
He (Donato) needs strength training badly. He gets that and he'll be a good player for Minny.
It was a win-win trade for both teams. Boston got a middle-six player/3rd line center with a year left on his contract that they can put into the lineup now. They gave up one of their weakest (current) winger prospects who wasn't on the roster, and is turning RFA.
What really matters here is I proposed Coyle for Donato+5th on NHL 19 and Boston declined. What up wit dat?
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This trade isn't looking as bad for Minny as it originally did, for me at least.
It'd be nice to call this a win-win
It'd be nice to call this a win-win
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Tough to call it a win-win when one player does absolutely nothing for his new team.
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I think of the three trades Fenton made, this one was the best at face value when it happened, which isn't a leap to say. I don't even know if it was a bad trade to begin with, I think it was just the fact that Donato was another left handed left wing, and we traded a right handed center/right wing to get him. Value wise it wasn't far off though.
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That statement tells me that you only look at the scoring stats to tell a players worth. Sure Donato has racked up some points for Minnesota but most Bruin fans are still happy with what Coyle has done in Boston.
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Still should have been added a 2nd or 3rd round pick from Boston.
Donato scoring doesn‘t make the trade better atm it happened.
Coyle is a righthanded RW/C on a cheap contract for another lefty.
And wait until you see Donato‘s flaws and he stops scoring...
Donato scoring doesn‘t make the trade better atm it happened.
Coyle is a righthanded RW/C on a cheap contract for another lefty.
And wait until you see Donato‘s flaws and he stops scoring...
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It literally does. Donato scoring at a certain pace is literally what will ultimately make it a good or bad deal for us.
It's nice to read something sensible.
I am pretty sure that Boston didn't want to give up Donato, but if there is one thing that they could painlessly give up it is left shooting winger prospects. They still have too many.
It's great that Donato is doing well in Minnesota and it's great that Coyle has solidified the 3rd line and made it into a line that can play against tough opponents and when Pastrnak returns, that line should get a talent upgrade as well.
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just because the trade sparked life into donato doesn't guarantee hes better than coyle. not sure why some people don't get that. i would have wanted a 2nd added to the trade.
Who would that be, if you are talking about Coyle then it is clear you are nothing more than a stat watcher and know nothing about the game other than stats.
Coyle has been fantastic centering our third line. He hasn't been able to pick up any points yet, but that doesn't take away from everything else good he is doing; including being trusted more to give Bergeron & Krejci a longer break.
My favorite stat line in reference to this trade
Boston 4-0-1
Minnesota 5-0-2
Both teams playing fantastic hockey, happy for both teams & fans!!
My favorite stat line in reference to this trade
Boston 4-0-1
Minnesota 5-0-2
Both teams playing fantastic hockey, happy for both teams & fans!!
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