Speculation: Mikko Rantanen Mega Thread

[Dekes For Days]

Interestingly, the Leafs with contract holdout Nylander opened a tremendous opportunity for fringe prospect Kapanen.

..fringe prospect?

He was a 1st rounder, 22nd overall, had progressed nicely at every level, and had locked in a roster spot for the year before being put on Matthews' line.

No only did he fill the opening, but played extremely well with better defence.

He played well but didn't mesh with his linemates in style, produced much less than Nylander, and he was in absolutely no way better defensively than Nylander.

Nylander has been dropped to the 3rd line and struggled as a 3C and/or RW.

Nylander had one of the statistically unluckiest seasons in recent memory while also playing catch-up the whole season after missing half of it, but he is right back to Matthews' wing this year and looking great.

Trading a player like Nylander or Rantanen at this stage is a bad move.

 

[Foxtail]

I believed they were very close at the rumoured amount, but wanted to wait for the stupidity of the Leafs. The holdout is for Marner money, I expect him to be sitting for sometime or traded.

Interestingly, the Leafs with contract holdout Nylander opened a tremendous opportunity for fringe prospect Kapanen. No only did he fill the opening, but played extremely well with better defence. Nylander has been dropped to the 3rd line and struggled as a 3C and/or RW.

AVs will plenty of time to work on various RW opportunities. If they find a replacement, I wouldn't be surprised if Rants is traded.

 

[Foxtail]

..fringe prospect?

He was a 1st rounder, 22nd overall, had progressed nicely at every level, and had locked in a roster spot for the year before being put on Matthews' line.


He played well but didn't mesh with his linemates in style, produced much less than Nylander, and he was in absolutely no way better defensively than Nylander.


Nylander had one of the statistically unluckiest seasons in recent memory while also playing catch-up the whole season after missing half of it, but he is right back to Matthews' wing this year and looking great.

Trading a player like Nylander or Rantanen at this stage is a bad move.

There was a time where it was questionable whether Kapanen was ever going to be an NHL player.

If you don't want to overpay a player you trade them

 

[Dekes For Days]

There was a time where it was questionable whether Kapanen was ever going to be an NHL player.

This is untrue. Kapanen was always on path to being an NHL player. The only question was what type of player. There is absolutely no way he could be considered a "fringe prospect".

If you don't want to overpay a player you trade them

Star players are undervalued relative to the value they add to a team, so even overpaying your young, star players is almost always a better option for the team than trading them away.

 

[Muffin]

I don't think a bridge deal is an option for Rantanen. Colorado has the cap space now, they're worried about their cap a few years down the road. They would rather overpay the RFA years to lower the UFA years. A bridge deal is the opposite of what they want to do.

 

[Patagonia]

..fringe prospect?

He was a 1st rounder, 22nd overall, had progressed nicely at every level, and had locked in a roster spot for the year before being put on Matthews' line.


He played well but didn't mesh with his linemates in style, produced much less than Nylander, and he was in absolutely no way better defensively than Nylander.


Nylander had one of the statistically unluckiest seasons in recent memory while also playing catch-up the whole season after missing half of it, but he is right back to Matthews' wing this year and looking great.

Trading a player like Nylander or Rantanen at this stage is a bad move.

Leaf bias is showing.

Kapanen was frequently rumoured as a throw in and considered a possible bust. It took 5 seasons before given the opportunity to play regularly. His NHL career is 133 games (78 last season) and 33 points (27 last season). He was headed out of town or back to Europe until given the opportunity. Draft position meant nothing when not partnered with the right players.

Nylander, although played fewer games is supposedly substantially superior to Kapanen. Yet, they had the same amount of points. If you blame Kadri or being on the 3rd line, it still doesn't justify his terrible season for supposedly an elite player against weaker opposition lines.

Rants is a superior player, but not the salary ask of being elite. Marner is far overpaid. The other RFAs adjusted their salary demands to realistic and comparable players. AVs are doing exactly the same. His agent might suggest otherwise, but expect Rants to be sitting for sometime unless they're willing to properly negotiate.

 

[Znith]

Leaf bias is showing.

Kapanen .... His NHL career is 133 games (78 last season) and 33 points (27 last season).
.

Wat
he scored 20 goals - 44 points last year

The only thing you had right was 133 games lol

 

[Foxtail]

Leaf bias is showing.

Kapanen was frequently rumoured as a throw in and considered a possible bust. It took 5 seasons before given the opportunity to play regularly. His NHL career is 133 games (78 last season) and 33 points (27 last season). He was headed out of town or back to Europe until given the opportunity. Draft position meant nothing when not partnered with the right players.

Nylander, although played fewer games is supposedly substantially superior to Kapanen. Yet, they had the same amount of points. If you blame Kadri or being on the 3rd line, it still doesn't justify his terrible season for supposedly an elite player against weaker opposition lines.

Rants is a superior player, but not the salary ask of being elite. Marner is far overpaid. The other RFAs adjusted their salary demands to realistic and comparable players. AVs are doing exactly the same. His agent might suggest otherwise, but expect Rants to be sitting for sometime unless they're willing to properly negotiate.

This is how I remember it as well

 

[Dekes For Days]

Kapanen was frequently rumoured as a throw in and considered a possible bust.

This is not true at all.

He was headed out of town or back to Europe until given the opportunity.

This is also a complete fabrication. He was never going back to Europe or being traded.

Nylander, although played fewer games is supposedly substantially superior to Kapanen.

Huh? Not sure why this matters, but Nylander has played more games than Kapanen.

Yet, they had the same amount of points.

Kapanen, at 22, had 44 points with an older Matthews. Nylander, at 20 and 21, had 61 points playing with a younger Matthews. Not sure how that's the same to you.

against weaker opposition lines.

QOC has much less of an effect on production than linemate quality.

Rants is a superior player, but not the salary ask of being elite.

Rantanen is a slightly better player, and while he will probably be paid more than he should with the advantages he has gotten, he will still provide positive value to Colorado, and he has a much better chance at providing better value to Colorado at whatever you think his salary ask is than any potential trade. Trading star players at this age is almost always the wrong move.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

This is not true at all.


This is also a complete fabrication. He was never going back to Europe or being traded.


Huh? Not sure why this matters, but Nylander has played more games than Kapanen.


Kapanen, at 22, had 44 points with an older Matthews. Nylander, at 20 and 21, had 61 points playing with a younger Matthews. Not sure how that's the same to you.


QOC has much less of an effect on production than linemate quality.


Rantanen is a slightly better player, and while he will probably be paid more than he should with the advantages he has gotten, he will still provide positive value to Colorado, and he has a much better chance at providing better value to Colorado at whatever you think his salary ask is than any potential trade. Trading star players at this age is almost always the wrong move.

It is arguable if Rantanen is better. After a hot start last year he faded. Give each a year on the top line of their team getting good opportunities and its hard to say who will put up bigger numbers.

Nylander had a better pedigree coming into the draft... One down year and everyone says Rantanen is the better player. But time will tell...

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I don't think a bridge deal is an option for Rantanen. Colorado has the cap space now, they're worried about their cap a few years down the road. They would rather overpay the RFA years to lower the UFA years. A bridge deal is the opposite of what they want to do.

Agreed, Avs need to lock Rants up for 7 or 8 years like they did Landy, MacK, EJ and G. Duchy and ROR left after being bridged.

Hoping for something like 10 x 8.

 

[jonlin]

It is arguable if Rantanen is better. After a hot start last year he faded. Give each a year on the top line of their team getting good opportunities and its hard to say who will put up bigger numbers.

Nylander had a better pedigree coming into the draft... One down year and everyone says Rantanen is the better player. But time will tell...

Two PPG+ seasons and 12 playoffs-games with 14p says Rantanen is lights out better than Nylander

 

[Avaholic29]

Two PPG+ seasons and 12 playoffs-games with 14p says Rantanen is lights out better than Nylander

I agree, not very close at all

 

[TruePowerSlave]

It is arguable if Rantanen is better. After a hot start last year he faded. Give each a year on the top line of their team getting good opportunities and its hard to say who will put up bigger numbers.

Nylander had a better pedigree coming into the draft... One down year and everyone says Rantanen is the better player. But time will tell...

Get real, Rantanen is clearly the superior player

 

[ToDavid]

Wat
he scored 20 goals - 44 points last year

The only thing you had right was 133 games lol

I think he was on HockeyDB and looking at his penalty minutes lmao.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Two PPG+ seasons and 12 playoffs-games with 14p says Rantanen is lights out better than Nylander

Holy crap does this need to be said?

 

[howboutahug]

Leafs fans taking over every thread with these ludicrous biased opinions is so old.

 

[missionAvs]

Two PPG+ seasons and 12 playoffs-games with 14p says Rantanen is lights out better than Nylander

I agree, not very close at all

Get real, Rantanen is clearly the superior player

Holy crap does this need to be said?

You've all been NEB'd. Take a moment and reflect on the bait you have fallen for.

 

[AvsWraith]

This is going to continue until December isn't it...

 

[BB88]

Still say 9.5Mx6y, get it done.

 

[Avaholic29]

You've all been NEB'd. Take a moment and reflect on the bait you have fallen for.

I know who NEB is, if that was an attempt at a troll it was a weak attempt lol. But yeah sure, cool.

 

[Foxtail]

Still say 9.5Mx6y, get it done.

That's more than Marner on the take home

 

[Mac Attack]

Get real, Rantanen is clearly the superior player

Guys, Brewer is basically a troll account. Don't worry about it. He's pretty good at it though cuz he always gets people going.

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

It is arguable if Rantanen is better. After a hot start last year he faded. Give each a year on the top line of their team getting good opportunities and its hard to say who will put up bigger numbers.

Nylander had a better pedigree coming into the draft... One down year and everyone says Rantanen is the better player. But time will tell...

87 in 74 last year and 14 in 12 in the playoffs.. the argument is if Marner is at his level or not. Nylander?? LOL

 

[mondo3]

Still say 9.5Mx6y, get it done.

Why not 8 years?