Mike Richards vs. Zach Parise

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  1. John Flyers Fan

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    I'm not looking to turn this into a Flyers - Devils argument.

    IMO two very very similar players.

    Paries gets more of the hype, but I see very little difference between the two.

    I don't think you'd see either organization trade one for the other.
     
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    Mike Richards.

    Im not buying into all the Parise hype. The guy has skill, but strenght & endurance wise, he's behind Richards.
     
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    Richards. I really don't think Parise will be a top player in the NHL. He seems like a 2nd line player or a role player to me. He's too small and will be crushed when he plays in the NHL. Mike 'Richards is the more complete package.
     
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    Interesting so far.


    Right now, i like what Mike Richards brings to the table. Absolutely everything. The guy is awesome. I think Parise has a higher ceiling, but I think Richards will have more of an impact in the NHL.
     
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    So basically Parise at 5-11 186 Lbs is too small to make an impact in the NHL while Richards at 5-11 185 Lbs won't be "crushed when he plays in the NHL"? Please people, if you only want to play the size card, at least play it fairly for both sides.
     
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    What he said.
     
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    Well, Richards is Canadian, so his strength, endurance, and resiliance are far beyond that of us mere mortal Americans, Swedes, or Russians.... :shakehead

    As for the thread, I think superficially, Richards and Parise could be categorized as "similar", but IMO, Parise is quite a bit more skilled, while possessing an equal all-around game. I see Parise as a 1st line player, especially in New Jersey, with Richards an able 3rd line guy.
     
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    Parise is much more offensively skilled than Richards, but has similar defensive skills.

    I'm just going to quote articles here.


    As a note, Parise outscored any other NCAA 2003 draftee over the past 2 seasons, including toted prospects such as Vanek and Jessiman.
     
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    Overall, Parise is regarded as having superior offensive talents, but I really think it's closer than people realize. Richards is immensely skilled as well, and by most accounts, was one of - if not the best - players at Canada's recent U-20 Development Camp.

    I agree that Parise has slightly higher upside, but Richards is probably one of the safer bets around. Both are definitely blue-chippers and I can respect arguments for both players. While Parise has been over-hyped at times, that doesn't change the fact he has a fantastic skill set.

    Would you take Mike Comrie, or Daymond Langkow? It's that kind of argument that could go either way.
     
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    Much more offensively skilled ???

    I'd love to hear your basis for that.

    Parise 116 points in 76 games in the NCAA over the last two seasons.

    Richards 176 points in 125 games in the OHL over the last two seasons.

    A difference of about 0.10 per game, and I think most people would agree that the OHL is a better league than the NCAA.
     
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    HA.....Its much harder to put up points in college hockey then the OHL. In the OHL you play vs 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 year olds. In college you play vs 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 year olds. I don't think this is even close, Carter vs Parise would be a better battle. I would say Vrana and Richards is closer then Parise and Richards.
     
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    Well how 'bout the fact that Parise did not lead his team in scoring this past year, while Richards was a runaway leader ???

    I'm not saying that Richards is certainly better than Parise, but it's far far closer than people are led to believe.

    Just as I'm sure that the Devils wouldn't trade Parise for Richards ... I wouldn't trade Richards for Parise.
     
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    I don't know to much about either one other than that one is going to be a Devil and one is going to be Flyer. I only get to see these guys if they play for the AHL team and that team would have to play Springfield. Before reading this thread I though Parise was better, but I guess there are arguments for Richards. IMO they're both fit what their going to be doing on each team. Parise is going to be a goal scorer for the Devils, something they lack and Richards is going to be the third linecenter who is responsiblt for shutting down the top line on the opposition, but with Richards you get a third liner who can score. Atleast I think that is what Richards is going to be doing. Evenually the Flyers are going to have a very good core of young centers with Carter, Unberger, Richards, and Sharp.
     
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    Richards can be more than a 3rd line center that chips in some offense. He's a very very good playmaker.

    While Carter is more of a goal scoring centerman, Richards is more playmaker, something the Flyers desperately need.

    I also think there's a decent chance that at least one if not two will be shifted to the wing (Sharp & Umberger would be my guesses).
     
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    I wasn't even referencing a particlar poster's comments. I was responding to the fact that *some* were claiming Richards was "much stronger and has more endurance" than Parise, when they're THE SAME FREAKING SIZE!!!!! Explain to me how that can proven. As for my rants against Canada and Canadians, I have nothing against the country, or the people in general. What I do have a problem with is Canadian posters who feel the need to promote Canadian players using ridiculous logic, spotty facts, and blind homerism. I'll speak out against that ANY TIME.
     
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    I don't think it's far closer, that's your opinion. I think Parise posseses intangibles, that along with his immense skill level will promote him to be one the top 25 players in the NHL in his prime, I just don't see that ceiling for Richards.
     
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    Does the OHL feature more talented individual players than the NCAA? I think so, but that doesn't make it an easier league to play in.
     
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    I'm not the only one. If Dion Phaneuf was not available at pick #9, Calgary would have made Mike Richards their selection.

    Intangibles like helping lead a team to a Memorial Cup, or an under-18 championship ??? Nahhh Richards doesn't posses any of those.

    I think if the 2003 draft was re-done today the two players would be selected within 2-4 picks of each other somewhere in the 11-15 range.
     
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    To suggest that Richards is a better player than Parise...

    2nd in the NCAA in Points Per Game.
    1st in the NCCA in +/-
    First Rookie nominated for Hobey Baker
    Led Gold Medal WJC team in points and named MVP and best forward in the tournament award.

    Parise is an excellent defensive player with 1st line scoring ability.

    Want to compare Richards vs Parise scoring numbers? Different league. The OHL is a much higher scoring league than the NCAA.
     
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    You have no crediblity as out of the blue you turn it into a Canada/USA issue. You seem to turn many issue's into this without any basis.
    Grow up.
     
  21. John Flyers Fan

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    Now I've never said that Richards is better than Parise, but IMO too many people around here seem to believe that:

    Parise = definite 1st liner, possible star
    Richards = 3rd lind center than can chip in some points

    IMO I think reality will end up being that both Richards and Parise will become good 2nd line NHL players.
     
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    Do you know a site that has +/- for NCCA players most sites I've found don't.

    Thanks
     
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    Very well said Meehan. I am with you all the way. If people don't like Parise or feel he is over hyped they should state that and not hide behind these ridiculous scenarios. I cannot sit here and say that Parise will dominate in the NHL, but by the same token, you can't tell me that he will not be a top tier player either. That is the beauty of watching these kids grow and become leaders. Some make and some don't, and we can say all that we want about it, but bottom line, we can't see into the future. I feel both will make their mark in the bigs, but I feel that Parise has star potential and Richards will be a very good two player for Philly.
     
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    Which would have been a horrible pick. Richards over Milan Michalek? I don't think so.
     
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    i think michalek was taken 8th
     
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