Player Discussion Mikael Granlund IX

[W75]

Coming soon: Mikael Granlund Thread X

 

[TaLoN]

I think the term is more of a question than the AAV currently. Will his game hold up like a St Louis or will it fall off like a Pommer in his last couple of years here?

Pominville has 15pts in 17 games.

I think Granlund will last longer than someone like Zucker, because his game is based on vision and IQ, not speed.

He's the type that you will never question his work ethic, and because he doesn't rely on physical skills to get where he is as much as others, like Cullen, he's less likely to tail off so soon imo.

No, I don't think he'll be playing at the age of 42 though...

In other words, I have zero concern about his ability to be worth it for the vast majority of the deal.

 

[Wabit]

Pominville has 15pts in 17 games.

I think Granlund will last longer than someone like Zucker, because his game is based on vision and IQ, not speed.

He's the type that you will never question his work ethic, and because he doesn't rely on physical skills to get where he is as much as others, like Cullen, he's less likely to tail off so soon imo.

No, I don't think he'll be playing at the age of 42 though...

In other words, I have zero concern about his ability to be worth it for the vast majority of the deal.

That's why I said Pommer's last couple of year's here. Pommer had a hot start last year too (PPG pace is first 12 games), fell off a cliff (16p in 63 games), and finished strong (6p in 7 games). He's always been a streaky player so I'm waiting to see if he falls off a cliff again. The guy is still my favorite player, warts and all, so I watch more Buffalo games than I should.

 

[57special]

eh, you worry about Signing Granlund when you come to it. When he signed his deal, we still didn't know what he was, a 60+ pt. player or a mid 40's type player. Unless he wants a ridiculous contract, we happily pay him for work well done.

 

[2Pair]

Granlund is 150 games plus playoffs away from needing a new contract. A lot of the numbers being thrown around at this point are just silly. Right now he's probably a $7M player, for him to get anywhere near the $8m-$9M numbers being brought up, he would have to put up 2 great seasons and playoff runs. If that happens, I can't imagine too many fans will be upset with having to pay the kid.

 

[Binister]

I would give him 7M if he keeps up this way and is around 70-80 point player. Wild need Granny's type of two way playmaking winger. Just inherit him Koivu's C and that would be perfect.

 

[Binister]

First Finnish player this season to break 10 goal barrier and naturally leading Finnish Rocket trophy. Way to Granny!

 

[tomgilbertfan]

 

[TaLoN]

8th leading goal scorer in the league

On pace for 48g, 39a, 87pts

 

[6zag]

On pace for 48g

Had to pinch myself after reading, is this real life?

 

[Wasted Talent]

Had to pinch myself after reading, is this real life?

It's nice but you have to take "on pace" with a grain of salt this early on. Unless you believe Pastrnak is going to score 77 goals.

 

[Bruce Granville]

There is no reason to insult him with a 7M offer. You might as well tell him to go to Florida or Nashville, get 8M, which translates to 9M and enjoy the sun or the Cup.

 

[6zag]

It's nice but you have to take "on pace" with a grain of salt this early on. Unless you believe Pastrnak is going to score 77 goals.

I'm well aware. It was more like surprise due to how much he's actually using his shot this year instead of trying to force passes. (like he has done since Liiga days)

 

[Wabit]

It's nice but you have to take "on pace" with a grain of salt this early on. Unless you believe Pastrnak is going to score 77 goals.

You mean Granny isn't going to maintain this 27.8 s% for the entire season?

 

[chchelseII]

Although I think Boston underpaid him, I think Pastrnak's 6 year $40,000,000 contract is a good comparable.

 

[Bazeek]

Although I think Boston underpaid him, I think Pastrnak's 6 year $40,000,000 contract is a good comparable.

For Granlund's next contract? He'll be a UFA.

 

[Wabit]

Although I think Boston underpaid him, I think Pastrnak's 6 year $40,000,000 contract is a good comparable.

They really aren't comparable: RFA to UFA, flat cap vs raising cap, age.

With an $85m cap; which is probably low for 2 years from now; Pasta's 8.9% cap would equal ~$7.5m.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So let's just say that this year and next matches his last 2 years (20+ goals and 60+ points). I know he's pacing above that right now but whatever. He'll be 28 and a half when the first season of his new deal kicks in.

Trying to find a somewhat recent comparable, maybe take Couture and adjust down for positional importance and playoff production (so far).

Couture signed $8 x 8 for ~10% of the cap. Cap might be ~$82M when his time comes around, so $8.2M, knock about a million off and settle in $7 - $7.5 range on a long-term deal. Maybe not the full 8 years, but in the 6-8 range.

 

[chchelseII]

Further research shows the best upcoming comparables would be Mark Stone and Artemi Panarin. Both are UFA's, wings and similar point production. Can probably get a rough estimation of MG's contract when they sign.

 

[Bazeek]

Further research shows the best upcoming comparables would be Mark Stone and Artemi Panarin. Both are UFA's, wings and similar point production. Can probably get a rough estimation of MG's contract when they sign.

Let's hope Panarin signs in FLA and takes the no-state-income-tax discount.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Stone is a good one. Granlund vs. Panarin, he'd be a full step behind.

 

[chchelseII]

Stone is a good one. Panarin, he'd be a full step behind.

Why do you say Panarin is a full step behind?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why do you say Panarin is a full step behind?

Sorry, probably worded wrong. I meant Granlund would be a full step behind Panarin.

 

[chchelseII]

Sorry, probably worded wrong. I meant Granlund would be a full step behind Panarin.

So maybe slot in between Stone and Panarin?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So maybe slot in between Stone and Panarin?

Can't really say that he'd be in front of Stone yet.

But those two guys will definitely determine a lot.