Meteoric rise, only to plummet to earth quickly (Research)

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  1. pnep

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    "LW - LEADERS IN "TOTAL YOUNG PTS" (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Carpenter Bobby --- 299 --- 728 --- 41,07%
    Muller Kirk --- 290 --- 959 --- 30,24%
    Turgeon Sylvain --- 249 --- 494 --- 50,40%
    Simpson Craig --- 245 --- 497 --- 49,30%
    Hull Bobby --- 234 --- 1170 --- 20%
    Shanahan Brendan --- 214 --- 1098 --- 19,49%
    Goulet Michel --- 209 --- 1152 --- 18,14%
    Friesen Jeff --- 196 --- 456 --- 42,98%
    Robitaille Luc --- 195 --- 1319 --- 14,78%
    Sanderson Geoff --- 188 --- 576 --- 32,64%


    "C - LEADERS IN YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Gretzky Wayne --- 709 --- 2857 --- 24,82%
    Hawerchuk Dale --- 426 --- 1409 --- 30,23%
    Lemieux Mario --- 348 --- 1692 --- 20,57%
    Carson Jimmy --- 325 --- 561 --- 57,93%
    Francis Ron --- 322 --- 1758 --- 18,32%
    Turgeon Pierre --- 315 --- 1234 --- 25,53%
    Savard Denis --- 314 --- 1337 --- 23,49%
    Yzerman Steve --- 308 --- 1670 --- 18,44%
    Trottier Bryan --- 290 --- 1425 --- 20,35%
    Messier Mark --- 290 --- 1844 --- 15,73%



    "RW - LEADERS IN YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Jagr Jaromir --- 319 --- 1235 --- 25,83%
    Bellows Brian --- 289 --- 1022 --- 28,28%
    Linden Trevor --- 254 --- 777 --- 32,69%
    Brown Rob --- 239 --- 438 --- 54,57%
    Bossy Mike --- 217 --- 1126 --- 19,27%
    Neely Cam --- 176 --- 694 --- 25,36%
    Howe Gordie --- 171 --- 1850 --- 9,24%
    Bure Pavel --- 170 --- 779 --- 21,82%
    Nolan Owen --- 167 --- 687 --- 24,31%
    Courtnall Russ --- 167 --- 744 --- 22,45%



    "DEF - LEADERS IN YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Housley Phil --- 274 --- 1232 --- 22,24%
    Orr Bobby --- 256 --- 915 --- 27,98%
    Coffey Paul --- 217 --- 1531 --- 14,17%
    Murphy Larry --- 204 --- 1216 --- 16,78%
    Stevens Scott --- 188 --- 896 --- 20,98%
    Bourque Ray --- 187 --- 1579 --- 11,84%
    Babych Dave --- 186 --- 723 --- 25,73%
    Reinhart Paul --- 175 --- 559 --- 31,31%
    Bodger Doug --- 162 --- 528 --- 30,68%
    Hampton Rick --- 152 --- 172 --- 88,37% - !!!!!!
    Benning Jim --- 148 --- 243 --- 60,91%
    Leetch Brian --- 141 --- 945 --- 14,92%
    Iafrate Al --- 136 --- 463 --- 29,37%
    Hamrlik Roman --- 130 --- 412 --- 31,55%
    Potvin Denis --- 130 --- 1052 --- 12,36%


    "GOALIE - LEADERS IN YOUNG WINS (up to 22 years old)"

    Player - "YOUNG WINS (up to 22 years old)" -CAR. WINS - % YOUNG WINS / CAR. WINS
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    Barrasso Tom --- 97 --- 369 --- 26,29%
    Lumley Harry --- 96 --- 333 --- 28,83%
    Fuhr Grant --- 71 --- 403 --- 17,62%
    Thibault Jocelyn --- 68 --- 222 --- 30,63%
    Carey Jim --- 53 --- 79 --- 67,09%
     
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    "METEORIC RISE,ONLY TO PLUMMET TO EARTH QUICKLY" TEAM


    LW ---- Sylvain Turgeon

    C ---- Jimmy Carson

    RW ---- Rob Brown

    1 DEF ---- Rick Hampton

    2 DEF ---- Jim Benning

    G ---- Jim Carey
     
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    Interesting stuff. I would replace Rob Brown with Travor Linden on your squad though. It's a pretty safe assumpition that Rob wouldn't have ever got those totals were it not for the fact that his centreman was Mario Lemieux. Linden at least earned his points playing on a very mediocre Canucks squad with not a whole lot of help.
     
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    I personally am of the mind to elect the 1997 Calder trophy winning rookie of the year: Bryan Berard

    1997 NYI 14 32 46 -32
    1998 NYI 4 11 15 -6
    1998 TOR 5 14 19 7
    1999 TOR 3 27 30 11
    2001 NYR 2 21 23 -1

    His injury was a factor, but he clearly plummeted.
     
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    It's based on percentage of career points earned while under 22 years old. Berard earned roughly 109 of his 266 points while under the age of 22. That would be 40.98% of his points. There are two players with much higher percenatages.
     
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    If use "Adjusted Points" and estimate for age (anybody born prior to 1 July for a given year has their birthday counted in that year, and anybody born on or after that date have their birthday counted in the next year)

    "LW - LEADERS IN "TOTAL YOUNG PTS" (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG ADJ.PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. ADJ.PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Jackson Busher--297--808--0,37
    Friesen Jeff--270--517--0,52
    Carpenter Bobby--265--584--0,45
    Kariya Paul--256--734--0,35
    Hull Bobby--255--1236--0,21
    Samsonov Sergei--225--354--0,64
    Kovalchuk Ilya--222--222--1
    Muller Kirk--220--806--0,27
    Gaborik Marian--219--219--1
    Martin Rick--213--595--0,36
    Simpson Craig--193--405--0,48
    Anderson Glenn--193--866--0,22
    Kilrea Hec--190--634--0,3
    Turgeon Sylvain--190--402--0,47
    Gagne Simon--179--256--0,7
    Tanguay Alex--176--329--0,54
    Thompson Paul--176--694--0,25
    Barber Bill--175--705--0,25
    Shanahan Brendan--170--1100--0,15
    Lindsay Ted--164--1054--0,16
    Guidolin Bep--159--335--0,47
    Robitaille Luc--155--1249--0,12
    Goulet Michel--155--888--0,17
    Duff Dick--154--628--0,25
    Sanderson Geoff--153--605--0,25


    "C - LEADERS IN "TOTAL YOUNG PTS" (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG ADJ.PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. ADJ.PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Gretzky Wayne--522--2260--0,23
    Lemieux Mario--393--1409--0,28
    Trottier Bryan--341--1092--0,31
    Turgeon Pierre--325--1168--0,28
    Hawerchuk Dale--314--1103--0,28
    Carson Jimmy--295--464--0,64
    Sakic Joe--293--1327--0,22
    Olczyk Ed--263--661--0,4
    Thornton Joe--254--435--0,58
    Lindros Eric--252--831--0,3
    Larouche Pierre--248--644--0,38
    Kennedy Ted--242--681--0,36
    Gratton Chris--236--481--0,49
    Francis Ron--234--1559--0,15
    Yzerman Steve--230--1493--0,15
    Roenick Jeremy--230--1052--0,22
    Savard Denis--225--1041--0,22
    Arnott Jason--224--587--0,38
    Marleau Patrick--222--344--0,64
    Dionne Marcel--217--1393--0,16
    Brind'Amour Rod--216--862--0,25
    Bodnar Gus--216--488--0,44
    Messier Mark--216--1601--0,13
    Perreault Gil--209--1058--0,2
    Richard Henri--205--1087--0,19
    Ronty Paul--203--403--0,5
    Schmidt Milt--201--789--0,25
    Damphousse Vincent--197--1095--0,18
    Sundin Mats--197--1066--0,19
    Andreychuk Dave--197--1160--0,17
    Quinn Dan--196--560--0,35
    Lecavalier Vincent--188--341--0,55
    Ricci Mike--182--569--0,32
    Forsberg Peter--179--758--0,24
    Clarke Bobby--179--977--0,18
    Gomez Scott--178--305--0,58
    Blair Andy--176--401--0,44
    Chouinard Guy--176--436--0,4
    Maruk Dennis--175--670--0,26
    Modano Mike--175--1052--0,17
    Yashin Alexei--172--695--0,25
    Mikita Stan--164--1417--0,12
    Delvecchio Alex--160--1373--0,12
    Pederson Barry--151--489--0,31
    Lafontaine Pat--151--847--0,18


    "RW - LEADERS IN "TOTAL YOUNG PTS" (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG ADJ.PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. ADJ.PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Bellows Brian--258--840--0,31
    Jagr Jaromir--257--1297--0,2
    Conacher Charlie--238--731--0,33
    Howe Gordie--222--2113--0,11
    Paiement Wilf--208--630--0,33
    Linden Trevor--205--763--0,27
    Iginla Jarome--201--529--0,38
    Brown Rob--186--369--0,5
    Gartner Mike--180--1090--0,17
    Bossy Mike--179--863--0,21
    Tanti Tony--177--437--0,41
    Daigle Alexandre--167--317--0,53
    Hossa Marian--166--411--0,4
    Heatley Dany--164--191--0,86
    Trembley Mario--159--447--0,35
    Lafleur Guy--157--1082--0,15
    Havlat Martin--157--230--0,68


    "DEF - LEADERS IN "TOTAL YOUNG PTS" (up to 22 years old)"

    Player --- TOTAL "YOUNG ADJ.PTS (up to 22 years old)" - TOTAL Career. ADJ.PTS ---- % YOUNG PTS / CAR. PTS
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    Orr Bobby--256--819--0,31
    Housley Phil--199--1039--0,19
    Bourque Ray--190--1293--0,15
    Potvin Denis--185--805--0,23
    Clancy King--159--723--0,22
    Coffey Paul--156--1225--0,13
    Murphy Larry--145--995--0,15
    Stevens Scott--137--747--0,18
    Babych Dave--131--551--0,24
    Wesley Glen--131--441--0,3
    Macinnis Al--130--1089--0,12
    Morris Derek--128--243--0,53
    Berard Bryan--127--266--0,48
    Hamrlik Roman--126--437--0,29
    Niedermayer Scott--125--463--0,27
    Reinhart Paul--125--408--0,31
    Hampton Rick--124--139--0,89
    Tallon Dale--121--281--0,43
    Bodger Doug--120--428--0,28
    Tverdovsky Oleg--116--289--0,4
    Ozolinsh Sandis--110--516--0,21
    Wilson Behn--108--261--0,41
    Leetch Brian--106--907--0,12
    Lanz Rick--106--207--0,51
    Benning Jim--105--176--0,6
    Gadsby Bill--105--651--0,16
    Iafrate Al--102--364--0,28
    Larson Reed--101--513--0,2
    Pronger Chris--101--398--0,25
     
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    Ah good ol' Jimmy... too bad he was such a dink, because he was a pretty good hockey player.

    Although I do think 22 is too young... I mean some guys on the list (i.e. Heatley, Havlat) haven't really dropped at all, they are still just too young.
     
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