Sorry I'm just not sure if I read this correctly. The best guys on the bench press were able to perform 12-13 reps of 150lbs on the bench press? That just seems pretty small.
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consecutive reps IE all in one set.
Voracek's numbers are actually a good thing. His game is so good now and hes not even as lean as he can be. Imagine him packing on even more lean muscle. Freight train indeed. Most of these numbers are crap and mean nothing. These kids haven't had enough spare time or guidance to really train properly and dedicate themselves. A few might stand out from the rest because they were more committed but more or less nobody is going to impress.
I'd be wary of Esposito though with 2 concussions. Especially given how soft he is.
Heart murmurs are not inconsistent beats.
Heart murmurs are extra sounds heard when listening to the heart. They indicate blood flow. Between beats there should be no sounds. Murmurs mean that blood is flowing inappropriately, whether that is backwards or through the heart. Depends on when in the heart cycle and where heard as to significance.
Inconsistent beats are arrhythmias or ectopics.
that is your cardiology lesson for the day.
stazza18
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nope, i think gastro-ilness is upset stomach/nausea.
diarrhea would be liquid stools.
I still find it amazing. I was already in my 30s when I started hitting the gym. I went three times a week, before or after work, with a program I cooked up by myself after reading some tips on the net, and I hit 150 lbs on the bench very quickly, and was pressing over 200 lbs within a year. And while I'm almost as big as Mario (my body weight back then was around 220), I'm not physically talented at all and I didn't pay any special attention to my rest schedules, eating habits or anything like that.
But come to think of it, you probably don't have all that much use for strong pecs (or the bench press motion) in hockey. And even if I could hold my own against Mario in the bench press, he can probably leg press my house.
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slade
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i wouldnt think so- he barely touched weights at all. his pre season diet tips equal "no fries with my burgers."
Whiplash27
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Not necessarily. What is meant by the phrase turn fat into muscle is that when you build muscle your muscles burn more calories than fat does hense in the process of building muscle, you burn fat. Pretty simple actually.
IronMarshal
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The bench press is extremely overated. Guys with long arms are at a huge disadvantage when compared with guys with short arms. The distance the weight has to move along with sorter verses longer muscle plays heavily into it. When I was 195 lbs at 6'1, I could only bench 250, a buddy of mine who was 5'6 benched 300.Was he stronger than me? No. We would wrestle and I would toss him like a rag doll. I could leg press 810 10 times, he couldn't come close, but, boy was he faster than me. I think they need to and probably do look at a multitude of stregths to determine a players strength. That said, any player who can't do 5-10 reps at 150 needs to build his stregth.
Blues077
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You can reduce your body fat but you can't get more talent. Some team can go ahead and draft the fit Sutter, because that just means his upside is even less. Sutter is in great shape and still no better than a 3rd liner, IMO. Imagine the upside of Voracek will be when the team that drafts him, really gets him shape. I would love to see Voracek drop. To 9th......
To add my little comment about murmurs:
Heart murmurs can also stop.. as was my case. I saw a cardiologist one year, and i had one, then 2 years later it was gone. It was also the case for my niece when she was born.
I'm guessing that doctors just make sure everything is ok when they spot one, but it's not something to get overly alarmed at (but not just dismiss altogether).
i really really don't think it will affect the players' rankings
You can reduce your body fat but you can't get more talent. Some team can go ahead and draft the fit Sutter, because that just means his upside is even less. Sutter is in great shape and still no better than a 3rd liner, IMO. Imagine the upside of Voracek will be when the team that drafts him, really gets him shape. I would love to see Voracek drop. To 9th......
Sutter is fit BUT he still weights only 170 lbs (he is 6'3" tall). There is a difference between being fit and being strong. Do you think that Jordan Staal would have played in the NHL this season if he'd weight 40 pounds less?
RandV
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Yeah, I just started hitting the gym recently at 26. I'm from a logger/miner family so everyone in my families strong, but when I was younger I always did sports that worked the legs. Soccer, Tae-kwon-do, skiing, etc. Now when I started going to the gym I was leg presssing almost 10 times more than I bench press.
Though someone else mentioned arm length, so it doesn't help that my arms are an inch longer than normal for my size.
Actually Mario didnt start hitting the gym until he was around 30. Which is one of the reasons he was injuried so often. Ill bet Mario still cant bent 200 haha. Ya his legs are huge though. Hes graduated from burgers and fries to steaks and wine.
Agree. Voracek and any other kid can easily improve their fitness levels. Their NHL team will make sure of that.
But the medical issues could be a concern and will probably affect their draft status more than their fitness results. Sort of like what happened to Kostitsyn and him falling a bit because of his health status.
Yup, it's a huge disadvantage... if you look at the guys who bench press a ton, they're all barrel-chested types with short arms. That's everything I'm not, so all the more reason why Mario should whup my bottom in bench press. Except that, well, I guess when you bring so much everything else to the table, you don't have to... and boy is that unfair.
That's what I thuoght. Unless it's some sort of special bench press -- like lifting with your legs up or something.
It's not any type of special bench press but I think the reason the numbers are so low is because they are really strict with the timing. You have to keep to a certain metronome cadence and once the player falls off the test is stopped.
There is a Youtube video in a nother thread that shows Gagner and Legien doing the tests. On the bench Legien does about 10 reps and looks like he could still put up quite a few more but they stop him. I am sure that if they let the kids grind out as many reps as they could the numbers would be far higher.
OK, now it starts making a whole lot more sense. Not to mention the fact that they're measuring something that is bound to be much more useful for a hockey player than the ability to eke up huge amounts of iron.
I thought there had to be a catch, because there are bound to be some very strong young men doing their stuff in the combine.
