Proposal: McKenzie's list is out - AZ and MTL swap

[HockeyDBspecialist]

with Bob's list out and Kotka in the final top 5 we can already see a swap between AZ and MTL, it's the smart thing to do for both team needs.

So, let's discuss the trade proposal.
For my part I think it will go this way:

To MTL:
-5ov
-55th

To AZ:
-3ov

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[rent free]

or this means the habs take thachuk...

 

[Tad Mikowski]

I'd be more than happy to do that swap. We need Zadina, You need Kotkaniemi. I dig it

 

[mouser]

If the premise is AZ wants Zadina then why trade up at all?

 

[rent free]

If the premise is AZ wants Zadina then why trade up at all?

because the habs might take zadina at 3rd

 

[Tad Mikowski]

If the premise is AZ wants Zadina then why trade up at all?

Im pretty convinced Ottawa wants Zadina too. I really think we'll have to trade up if we really covet Zadina

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

If the premise is AZ wants Zadina then why trade up at all?

or the sens....

 

[junyab]

I don't like it. If you want Kotkaniemi, you select him. I wouldn't give Ottawa a chance to steal "our guy".

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I'd be more than happy to do that swap. We need Zadina, You need Kotkaniemi. I dig it

it really is a win-win situation honestly.
What would AZ fans can propose ?

 

[mouser]

because the habs might take zadina at 3rd

They might. All the rumblings now are Kotkaniemi though.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I don't like it. If you want Kotkaniemi, you select him. I wouldn't give Ottawa a chance to steal "our guy".

almost no chance Ottawa does that.
- They are high on tkachuk but can still go for Zadina
- they have good Center prospects
- they didn't invite Kotka for a private dinner like the habs and wings did.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't like it. If you want Kotkaniemi, you select him. I wouldn't give Ottawa a chance to steal "our guy".

If you are worried about the Sens taking Kotkaniemi, work a deal with them to give them a future pick for not taking Kotkaniemi. If they say no, then you know something is up. If they say yes, who cares about giving up a future 5th or 6th round pick and it guarantees you get the guy you want. Pretty sure the Sens go after one of Zadina, Dobson, or Tkachuk.

 

[rent free]

They might. All the rumblings now are Kotkaniemi though.

its been fluctuating quite a bit. i think they will end up taking zadina

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't like it. If you want Kotkaniemi, you select him. I wouldn't give Ottawa a chance to steal "our guy".

Habs seem high on Dobson too. I think those three are all in the same tier for them, but if not they should not risk it and take BPA.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They might. All the rumblings now are Kotkaniemi though.

The idea is both the Sens and Coyotes want Zadina. So if the Coyotes want him and give us a future 2nd, then we make the deal. Or the Sens make a deal with us instead to guarantee they get Zadina.

 

[junyab]

almost no chance Ottawa does that.
- They are high on tkachuk but can still go for Zadina
- they have good Center prospects
- they didn't invite Kotka for a private dinner like the habs and wings did.

Just like Kotkaniemi is growing on the Habs so could he with Ottawa, and it's not rare that surprises are revealed on draft day. IMO you don't take the risk, I stress that its just my opinion.

 

[Canadienna]

55th Ov is not enough to move the habs to 5. It's possible both Zadina and Kotka are gone by then.

Step up the offer if you want Zadina.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Just like Kotkaniemi is growing on the Habs so could he with Ottawa, and it's not rare that surprises are revealed on draft day. IMO you don't take the risk, I stress that its just my opinion.

I would def take the risk if Marc talked with Dorion (which they will) they are good friend too. It's def a risk but I highly doubt there will be some kind of backstab.
they can also trade with Ottawa.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just like Kotkaniemi is growing on the Habs so could he with Ottawa, and it's not rare that surprises are revealed on draft day. IMO you don't take the risk, I stress that its just my opinion.

It's possible for sure but not probable. Get on the phone and tell them our plans. We have a deal to trade down with the Coyotes and we want Kotkaniemi. What future pick ensures the Sens don't take Kotkaniemi? They might say they want Zadina instead and then we tell them to match the Coyotes offer and you have him. If they get difficult, take Kotkaniemi 3rd.

You will find out very quick what the Sens plans are. If they take the 5th or 6th round future pick, then all of the Habs, Sens, and Coyotes are happy. If they get difficult and are vague, you know something is up. That's how I would handle it.

 

[THE Green Man]

I can't see Ottawa taking Kotkaniemi. This makes sense if Arizona wants Zadina. If they don't though they could easily take Tkachuck at 5 instead. They trade Domi for a more skilled potential C in Galcenyuk and then immediately replace Domi's grit with Tkachuck.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

55th Ov is not enough to move the habs to 5. It's possible both Zadina and Kotka are gone by then.

Step up the offer if you want Zadina.

I'm waiting on some propositions
. they can add 55th+65th or POJ.

 

[The Great Weal]

Has Merkley played center in the AHL?

 

[mouser]

Just like Kotkaniemi is growing on the Habs so could he with Ottawa, and it's not rare that surprises are revealed on draft day. IMO you don't take the risk, I stress that its just my opinion.

Agreed. I think the individual team rankings are going to vary highly from #3 to #10. Kotkaniemi going from #10 to #5 in Bob's draft ranking compilations suggest he's rising up many team draft boards.

If Montreal doesn't really care which of the players in that range they get then trading down could make sense. If they have Zadina, Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi as their target then they should just draft them at #3.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. I think the individual team rankings are going to vary highly from #3 to #10. Kotkaniemi going from #10 to #5 in Bob's draft ranking compilations suggest he's rising up many team draft boards.

If Montreal doesn't really care which of the players in that range they get then trading down could make sense. If they have Zadina, Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi as their target then they should just draft them at #3.

Zadina, Kotkaniemi, and Dobson are my targets. But Kotkaniemi is the guy I want 1st.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm waiting on some propositions
. they can add 55th+65th or POJ.

Rather take the 2019 2nd.