McKeen's New Top 100, March edition

[Leaf Lander]

can somone pm me the list

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Two players I would compare Toews to in potential...

Low end....Thomas Steen

Upper end...Bryan Trottier

I like this kids balanced play, unselfishness & drive. This kid off the ice is focused and mature...driven on and off the ice.

Heady words, but I will stick with them.

So his low end is an awesome player?

Look, he's safe for the NHL but let's not get carried away.

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

So his low end is an awesome player?

Look, he's safe for the NHL but let's not get carried away.

A safer low-side might be a player like Peter Schaefer, Todd White or even Matt Stajan. Great hands and a solid overall game, but settles in as tier II offensive player than elite.

And I'm not sure Steen is "awesome" at this point, but obviously we aren't seeing the finished product, so hard to really use a player like this as reference (he might end up topping out just like the above mentioned trio). You really need to use a player in their prime as a reference.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

So his low end is an awesome player?

Look, he's safe for the NHL but let's not get carried away.

I don't think that's much of a stretch. Toews is a very "safe" prospect and stands a great of chance of at least being a good player (which Steen is). I don't think he'll be a hall-of-famer, but he'll likely have a very good career.

 

[VanW27]

A safer low-side might be a player like Peter Schaefer, Todd White or even Matt Stajan. Great hands and a solid overall game, but settles in as tier II offensive player than elite.

And I'm not sure Steen is "awesome" at this point, but obviously we aren't seeing the finished product, so hard to really use a player like this as reference (he might end up topping out just like the above mentioned trio). You really need to use a player in their prime as a reference.

He said Thomas Steen not Alex.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I don't think that's much of a stretch. Toews is a very "safe" prospect and stands a great of chance of at least being a good player (which Steen is). I don't think he'll be a hall-of-famer, but he'll likely have a very good career.

Thomas Steen is a retired, great NHL player, though. And supposedly, that's Toews LOW end?

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

He said Thomas Steen not Alex.

Ah, my bad. Actually, not a bad a sign for Alex that he has me actually forgetting about his old man. He was indeed a great player.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Ah, my bad. Actually, not a bad a sign for Alex that he has me actually forgetting about his old man. He was indeed a great player.

Yep. Which is why I think that's one of the worst statements ever on the boards when someone says that a prospect who has never stepped foor into the NHL and who is obviously not on the Crosby or Ovechkin or Malkin level will have a low end of a great player.

Toews has went from severely underrated to severely overrated as of late, and it's a shame. I'd love to have the kid on my team, but not with a top 3 pick. Top 10 pick for sure, however.

 

[Roger's Pancreas*]

can somone pm me the list

Second that.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The 2007 preliminary draft list is the most interesting, IMO. Hamil @ 11 and Petrecki @ #2!

 

[terreur]

If Frollik really leaves at spot numbver 11 i'm pretty suire it will be a steal. I'M pretty sure he'll turn out to be a pretty decent NHL player.

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

Yep. Which is why I think that's one of the worst statements ever on the boards when someone says that a prospect who has never stepped foor into the NHL and who is obviously not on the Crosby or Ovechkin or Malkin level will have a low end of a great player.

Toews has went from severely underrated to severely overrated as of late, and it's a shame. I'd love to have the kid on my team, but not with a top 3 pick. Top 10 pick for sure, however.

I think it is a natural for a player once they get some momentum, that people get a little too over-excited about the player and take it too far.

We saw it with Kessel a year ago (Crosby comparisons), to the point it has swung back in the other direction and he might be getting under-rated by some now.

I personally think Toews is definitely top 5 though, as he might be one of the safer picks out there and still has a lot of upside.

 

[timlap]

I think it is a natural for a player once they get some momentum, that people get a little too over-excited about the player and take it too far.

We saw it with Kessel a year ago (Crosby comparisons), to the point it has swung back in the other direction and he might be getting under-rated by some now.

I personally think Toews is definitely top 5 though, as he might be one of the safer picks out there and still has a lot of upside.

Toews has been tagged with that dreaded word, "safe." In my experience there is no word that makes an Hfboards poster go cold faster than "safe." (perhaps the other is "old" which does not apply in this discussion ). My only opportunity to watch him was on television during the WJCs. So I'm far from an expert. But my sense, from reading the usual scouting reports, and watching his stats in his freshman season, and taking into account his birth year, is that he is actually very talented offensively in addition to being a two-way player.

Some players are described as "boom or bust." Toews, it seems to me might be called "boom or safe."

Not great English, perhaps, but you get the point.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Thomas Steen is a retired, great NHL player, though. And supposedly, that's Toews LOW end?

My bad! I did the same thing as the good Doctor.

 

[Hiishawk]

Toews = Brind'Amour in both style and expectations

 

[boredmale]

If Frollik really leaves at spot numbver 11 i'm pretty suire it will be a steal. I'M pretty sure he'll turn out to be a pretty decent NHL player.

My feeling on Frolik, is he will either be a star or a bust. No inbetween ground on him. The question is do you risk picking him in hopes he turns out to be a starover guys who may not have as much upside who will turn out to be good NHlers?

 

[J17 Vs Proclamation]

My feeling on Frolik, is he will either be a star or a bust. No inbetween ground on him. The question is do you risk picking him in hopes he turns out to be a starover guys who may not have as much upside who will turn out to be good NHlers?

I love Frolik, and i honestly think he might turn out to be the best player from this draft. I agree he is boom or bust in a way. Considering though that this draft has a supposed fall in talent after the top ten, if he falls out of the top ten (he shouldn't) its worth taking the chance on him because the depth is pretty awful.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I love Frolik, and i honestly think he might turn out to be the best player from this draft. I agree he is boom or bust in a way. Considering though that this draft has a supposed fall in talent after the top ten, if he falls out of the top ten (he shouldn't) its worth taking the chance on him because the depth is pretty awful.

I've noticed you've been a proponent of Frolik for quite some time. Can I ask why you like him as a player so much? Do you have access to some Kladno games or something?

 

[stardog]

If you've seen Toews in the past month/ month and a half you would see more of the player that he should turn out to be IMO. He's been downright dominating games with and without the puck. I think that people tend to forget just how young he is and that he isn't very close to being a finished product at all.

I have seen him play in the last month quite a few times and while he has ranged from decent to very good, I wouldnt say he has been downright dominating at all.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I have seen him play in the last month quite a few times and while he has ranged from decent to very good, I wouldnt say he has been downright dominating at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong, Toews has been impressive of late, but it's not as if he's the only reason North Dakota is doing as well as they are. It can be argued that Jordan Parise or T.J. Oshie have been just as impressive. Toews isn't exactly taking over games ala Jaromir Jagr. He's been a cog in a well-oiled machine that has gotten better as the season's gone by.

 

[Top Corner2]

can somone pm me the list

Third that....or at least tell me where Stewart is on the list.

thanks!!

 

[J17 Vs Proclamation]

I've noticed you've been a proponent of Frolik for quite some time. Can I ask why you like him as a player so much? Do you have access to some Kladno games or something?

Being from England, i base my opinions on reports etc so yeah im not an expert lol. However, i do feel Frolik has alot of potential, and im quite willing to overlook the fact of his supposed "sub par" stats this year. I've used the example before, but Olesz put up very similar stats to Frolik at the same age and Olesz will be a really good player. I just think if he falls out of the top ten, its a freakin steal especially considering the supposed lack of depth in the draft.

 

[Riggins]

Third that....or at least tell me where Stewart is on the list.

thanks!!

Chris Stewart is 16th on the list.

And PS, to those who want the entire list PM'd to them... NO.