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McDavid or Crosby

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Filthy Dangles

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Scoring Trophies isn't the best argument. Jamie Benn's career == Ovechkin's amirite.

Crosby 05-08

213 games
294 points
1.38 PPG

McDavid 15-18

209 games
256 points
1.22 PPG


Okay so, Crosby obviously played in a higher scoring environment and you have to account for that. The average goals per game from 05-08 was 2.94. The average GPG from 15-18 was 2.82.

(256 / 2.82 * 2.94) == 267 points or 1.28 PPG

So, if you simply adjust for scoring era based solely on raw points (not considering how they were scored i.e EV or PP) McDavid would have scored 267 points and had a 1.28 PPG if he 'played in Crosby's era'.

Now, the problems you all will have with that is the PPO per game back then and Crosby did a lot of his damage on the PP vs McDavid who did a lot of his damage at ES. How do you account for that? Not sure. How responsible is Crosby for the insane PP production and PIT's overall sucess on the PP? Likewise how culpable is McDavid for EDM having the worst PP in the league? It does run through him, right?


 
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LiasAndersson said:
Crosby 05-08
213 games
294 points
1.38 PPG

McDavid 15-18
209 games
256 points
1.22 PPG
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05-06 Crosby 1.26 PPG
06-08 Malkin says Hi! Crosby 1.45 PPG
It's all about Malkin. In 132 GP Crosby scored 70 points with Malkin. It's 36.5% (70 of 192)
 
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LiasAndersson said:
Scoring Trophies isn't the best argument. Jamie Benn's career == Ovechkin's amirite.

Crosby 05-08

213 games
294 points
1.38 PPG

McDavid 15-18

209 games
256 points
1.22 PPG


Okay so, Crosby obviously played in a higher scoring environment and you have to account for that. The average goals per game from 05-08 was 2.94. The average GPG from 15-18 was 2.82.

(256 / 2.82 * 2.94) == 267 points or 1.28 PPG

So, if you simply adjust for scoring era based solely on raw points (not considering how they were scored i.e EV or PP) McDavid would have scored 267 points and had a 1.28 PPG if he 'played in Crosby's era'.

Now, the problems you all will have with that is the PPO per game back then and Crosby did a lot of his damage on the PP vs McDavid who did a lot of his damage at ES. How do you account for that? Not sure. How responsible is Crosby for the insane PP production and PIT's overall sucess on the PP? Likewise how culpable is McDavid for EDM having the worst PP in the league? It does run through him, right?

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Well, Pittsburgh also had the advantage of having a Evengi Malkin and a Sergei Gonchar on the power play as well. That might tilt the scales a bit there.
 
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LiasAndersson said:
Scoring Trophies isn't the best argument. Jamie Benn's career == Ovechkin's amirite.

Crosby 05-08

213 games
294 points
1.38 PPG

McDavid 15-18

209 games
256 points
1.22 PPG


Okay so, Crosby obviously played in a higher scoring environment and you have to account for that. The average goals per game from 05-08 was 2.94. The average GPG from 15-18 was 2.82.

(256 / 2.82 * 2.94) == 267 points or 1.28 PPG

So, if you simply adjust for scoring era based solely on raw points (not considering how they were scored i.e EV or PP) McDavid would have scored 267 points and had a 1.28 PPG if he 'played in Crosby's era'.

Now, the problems you all will have with that is the PPO per game back then and Crosby did a lot of his damage on the PP vs McDavid who did a lot of his damage at ES. How do you account for that? Not sure. How responsible is Crosby for the insane PP production and PIT's overall sucess on the PP? Likewise how culpable is McDavid for EDM having the worst PP in the league? It does run through him, right?
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Using League GPG is flawed. Both players are pretty close in terms of PPG dominance vs. their peers, all things considered.

As for your PP vs. ES comments. Their point totals speak for themselves. Full marks to Crosby for producing on the PP, full marks to McDavid for producing at ES. For those who think ES scoring means more, McDavid got a lot more ES time than Crosby.
 

Filthy Dangles

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daver said:
Using League GPG is flawed. Both players are pretty close in terms of PPG dominance vs. their peers, all things considered.

As for your PP vs. ES comments. Their point totals speak for themselves. Full marks to Crosby for producing on the PP, full marks to McDavid for producing at ES. For those who think ES scoring means more, McDavid got a lot more ES time than Crosby.
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i don't understand. it should be or equate to the same thing. your peers will have lower or higher PPG based on the scoring era you are in (reflected by GPG). What do you mean exactly?
 
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Filthy Dangles

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when you look at the ice time splits, it really shows you how different it was a decade+ ago. McDavid's played almost 500 more minutes at even strength in fewer games.

Crosby averaged 5 minutes of PP time per game those 3 years, vs 3:00 for McD. Their total ice time is nearly identical.
 
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LiasAndersson said:
i don't understand. it should be or equate to the same thing. your peers will have lower or higher PPG based on the scoring era you are in (reflected by GPG). What do you mean exactly?
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More PPOs leads to higher % of scoring by the best offensive players. The best way to compare players is vs. the Top 20 scorers in their respective eras. Both players stand out from their peers about the same.

TO ALL OILER FANS: I am defending McDavid here. Go figure.
 
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Incredibly close. Voted McDavid but I could change my mind easily in a heartbeat.
 
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I do wonder how it is that threads like this attract so much nonesense...

"Playoffz is a team accomplishment..."
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Uh, Crosby captained his team in playoff scoring with 27 points in 20 games. He wasn't exactly a passenger here.

"McDavid is WAY better at 5-on-5."
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Crosby's even strength production per minute was higher in their first 3 years.

"Crosby played with Malkin, which boosted his stats."
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Crosby won a scoring championship by posting 120 points with Nils Ekman and Colby Armstrong on his wings. And I was unaware that Sid was the only player in the NHL who had other elite players on his team. Or that Draisaitl is as incompetent as he is...

"McDavid is better defensively than Crosby ever was."
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Scotty Bowman and Babcock have always praised Crosby's defensive play and Bowman even mentioned him as a Selke candidate in 2016. During that playoff run, Crosby matched up against the other teams' top lines and was lauded by the media for playing Selke-caliber defense. McDavid has never received anywhere close to that level of praise for his defensive ability.
 

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WPG99 said:
First 3 seasons...

Crosby: 213games 99goals 294pts

2 Playoff appearances, 1 first round exit and 1 Finals appearance.

2007 - 5gp 3g 5pts
2008 - 20gp 6g 27pts



McDavid: 209games 87goals 256pts

1 Playoff appearance, 2nd round exit

2017 - 13gp 9pts
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Crosby would not take those oilers any farther then McDavid did . This isn't basketball
 
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