McDavid already has more 5 point games than Crosby

[Perfect_Drug]

Crosby is no slouch. Were talking about a couple great players. No disrespect, but Conner has superior speed, with better stickhandling considering the extra high speed he is at - shot, passing, and intelligence are a wash. Crosby is obviously stronger and lower center of gravity, but conner goes into corners, and always comes out with the puck. Conner can pick pockets with his stick work....Crosby has had the better career with the cups, and gold metal, and much more proven playoff record. Conner is just so much more explosive then Crosby ever was. I mentioned Wayne and Mario, as comparable to Mcdaddy. That is due to me falling out of my seat, while watching these 3. Thats the difference.

Before you drafted Crosby, Pittsburgh had attendance issues. There was a lot of talk about relocation.

Oilers sold out every damn game for a decade were were in the basement.


It's not even remotely a contest which city has the better hockey market.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

When crosby was 24 he had 37 points in 22 games as well but not in a terrible canadien division

 

[Reindl87]

To be fair. McDavid loves padding his stats in blow out wins. Something Crosby did to a far lesser extend.

 

[MessierII]

To be fair. McDavid loves padding his stats in blow out wins. Something Crosby did to a far lesser extend.

Mcdavid has never gone 4 games without a point and has only gone 3 games twice.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'm sure this point has already been made, but...

If two players have the same PPG, you should actually prefer fewer 5 point games. A team's objective of winning the most games is enhanced to a greater extent by the player that spreads points consistently.

 

[GOilers88]

I'm sure this point has already been made, but...

If two players have the same PPG, you should actually prefer fewer 5 point games. A team's objective of winning the most games is enhanced to a greater extent by the player that spreads points consistently.

Here's the break down of their first 506 points which covers their first 371 games

Points	Crosby	McDavid
6+	2	1
5+	4	7
4+	18	15
3+	57	59
2+	152	147
1+	273	277
0	98	94

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Very similar with McDavid being slightly more likely to record a point and Crosby being slightly more likely to record a 2+ point night

You are correct it has already been addressed.

 

[Video Nasty]

When crosby was 24 he had 37 points in 22 games as well but not in a terrible canadien division

He did, but let's provide some context and weigh how impressive his 37 points across 22 scattered games really was.

Crosby was of little value that season, seeing as how he missed the first 20 games of the season, came back for for 8 games (12 points), missed another 40, then came back with fresh legs in the final weeks and feasted on teams worn out from the grind of actually playing all season (25 points in final 14 games).

Malkin still managed 25 points in those 14 games as well, after being around to put up 84 in his previous 61.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

when crosby entered the league everyone and their dog was putting up 100 points. 7 guys had 100 points when crosby put up 102. When McDavid won the league scoring title with 100 points no one else even had 90

I like the specific attention on the # of 100-point scorers in each player's rookie season, and total inattention to how that # tailed off the next few years of Crosby's career where it's increased during McDavid's career (last year would have had roughly 7 if you pro-rate for an 82-game season).

HFBoards: where 7 people out of 650+ across 30 NHL rosters = "everyone and their dog."

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

He did, but let's provide some context and weigh how impressive his 37 points across 22 scattered games really was.

Crosby was of little value that season, seeing as how he missed the first 20 games of the season, came back for for 8 games (12 points), missed another 40, then came back with fresh legs in the final weeks and feasted on teams worn out from the grind of actually playing all season (25 points in final 14 games).

Malkin still managed 25 points in those 14 games as well, after being around to put up 84 in his previous 61.

It shows you the damage he'd do in that canadien division

 

[Leafslet]

It shows you the damage he'd do in that canadien division

mcdavid has been on similar paces when in the western conference...

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

mcdavid has been on similar paces when in the western conference...

Listen if your too daft to realize that everyone's numbers especially those in the north are inflated then there's no point in wasting energy

 

[SomeDude]

I wonder how many Cup rings Sid would trade for a few more 5 point games?

 

[Laveuglette]

Offensively McDavid is clearly better than Crosby. No question about that. Crosby more well-rounded. I think I prefer McDavid though. But let's see how he ages. He'll need to adjust when speed goes down.

 

[bucks_oil]

I'm sure this point has already been made, but...

If two players have the same PPG, you should actually prefer fewer 5 point games. A team's objective of winning the most games is enhanced to a greater extent by the player that spreads points consistently.

But these two players don't have the same PPG.

Career, McD is 1.36 =/= 1.28.

And this year McD is presently 1.81 after 21 games. Crosby's best incidentally was at the same age 24 where he had 1.68 in 22 games.

 

[Ninety7]

Listen if your too daft to realize that everyone's numbers especially those in the north are inflated then there's no point in wasting energy

prove it

 

[Flameshomer]

McDavid will never be on the same planet as Crosby until he wins at least one cup. That won't happen until he's traded, so the conversation remains moot until that day!

 

[TNT87]

Pretty impressive. When it's all said and done I wonder how many times he will accomplish this feat?

 

[ClydeLee]

Counterpoint.

Lemieux didn't even make the playoffs his first 4 seasons in the NHL when 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs in that era.

Did that make his talent any less of a talent?

And people still always want tear down rebuilds and all out tanks by their teams. Maybe you'll get lucky it'll work out after 5 years later but it's a huge risk when you sabotage.

 

[Midnight Judges]

But these two players don't have the same PPG.

Career, McD is 1.36 =/= 1.28.

At the 500 point mark, their PPGs were identical.

Sustaining a pace through 1000 games through age 32 is significantly more difficult than for 372 games through age 24.

Your metrics are bogus.

 

[ManofSteel55]

McDavid will never be on the same planet as Crosby until he wins at least one cup. That won't happen until he's traded, so the conversation remains moot until that day!

username checks out.

 

[Hatfield]

I too wish there was still 2018...

Ugh. Not sure how I did that.

 

[oilexport]

I wonder how many Cup rings Sid would trade for a few more 5 point games?

And blowing by everybody on the planet. I'm sure Crosby knows how good mcdavid is. I bet Sid trades at least 1 cup for mcdaddys speed.

 

[canuckking1]

When it's all said and done Mcdavid's individual trophy case is gonna dwarf Crosby's. By the end of this season, he'll have as many Harts and more ross'.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Is @Midnight Judges actually in a thread defending Crosby? Am I in The Upside Down?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

When it's all said and done Mcdavid's individual trophy case is gonna dwarf Crosby's. By the end of this season, he'll have as many Harts and more ross'.

Nobody takes this year seriously lol