Mcdavid 17-18 vs Mcdavid 18-19

[Hockeym]

Who do you think is the best player ?

Mcdavid in 17-18 with 82gp 41-67-108 +20

or

Mcdavid in 18-19 with 78gp 41-75-116 +3

I think 17-18 was more a two-way forward compare to 18-19 .

Who would you take for your team ?

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[Albatros]

He peaked early, very little development over the last several years.

 

[TheUltimateOiler]

The 108 was the "better" year. The 116 was the Oilers out of the playoffs and trying to get McDavid to catch kucherov. If the Oilers were a better team, he would have best kucherov that year anyways which is funny.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, McDavid's point totals improved every year but his overall play declined every year IMO.

 

[Ctrain2k]

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, McDavid's point totals improved every year but his overall play declined every year IMO.

Correction his team declined.

 

[Regal]

McDavid had better underlying numbers and produced better 5v5 in 17-18 despite Draisaitl not being a 50 goal scorer like in 18-19. The only reason he produced more in 18-19 was because of the PP, but the PP was unsually unlucky in '18, and again, added 50 goal Drai in '19. I don't see much of an argument for '19 other than simply focusing on points.

 

[Krewe]

His skills have improved but the way he plays the game has declined

 

[Big Empty]

His skills have improved but the way he plays the game has declined

He peaked early, very little development over the last several years.

are you guys joking?

 

[TopCheese]

are you guys joking?

He hasn’t improved since becoming the unanimous best player in the world. Major letdown. \s

 

[hamzarocks]

2018 was dominant at ES, better two way and that year draisaitl had 71 pts only with McDavid having 37 more points than 2nd on his team

 

[Albatros]

He hasn’t improved since becoming the unanimous best player in the world. Major letdown. \s

He's not even unanimous best player in his team.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

The difference between the two years is marginal, but it is alarming that the Oilers have gotten worse ever since they lost to the Ducks in the 2017 playoffs.

In fact, it is outrageous to be wasting McDavid and Draisaitl’s peak years like that. They are continuously costing themselves a shot at the Cup.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

The difference between the two years is marginal, but it is alarming that the Oilers have gotten worse ever since they lost to the Ducks in the 2017 playoffs.

In fact, it is outrageous to be wasting McDavid and Draisaitl’s peak years like that. They are continuously costing themselves a shot at the Cup.

Caps fans should know better than anyone when you have a generational talent on your roster sometimes things are wrong until they are right.

The caps really didn’t improve a ton from their years of dominance before winning the cup, then just 1 season it clicked

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Correction his team declined.

The two are not at all mutually exclusive and both of them happened.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

Shift by shift McDavid was a better player in 17-18 than he was in 18-19

 

[Midnight Judges]

Fully admit I don't have as much faith in fancy plus minus as some of the guys here. But it seems to me McDavid contributed more in the 116 point season: 98 primary points vs 80.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Caps fans should know better than anyone when you have a generational talent on your roster sometimes things are wrong until they are right.

The caps really didn’t improve a ton from their years of dominance before winning the cup, then just 1 season it clicked

Yeah but at least they made the playoffs consistently. You can’t miss the playoffs with that kind of talent, it’s unacceptable. The only time the Caps missed the playoffs after the early years, they canned the GM and the coach.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Yeah but at least they made the playoffs consistently. You can’t miss the playoffs with that kind of talent, it’s unacceptable. The only time the Caps missed the playoffs after the early years, they canned the GM and the coach.

I agree but to be fair this is only the 2nd year where they’ve had 2 dominant players and if covid didn’t happen they have a 96% chance of making the playoffs. They were 2nd in the pacific and 4th in the west when the season paused

 

[BB06]

From 2016-2017 through 2018-2019, McDavid's point totals improved every year but his overall play declined every year IMO.

He really just stopped playing defence and his team results plummeted. 5on5 hasn't been the greatest either.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I agree but to be fair this is only the 2nd year where they’ve had 2 dominant players and if covid didn’t happen they have a 96% chance of making the playoffs. They were 2nd in the pacific and 4th in the west when the season paused

They technically missed the playoffs this year by losing to the 12th seed Hawks in the qualifying round, in their home barn.

Things have to go catastrophically wrong for a team with 2 Art Ross winners to underperform.

McDavid and Draisaitl have never been the issue, but the surrounding core has to be one of the weakest in the NHL.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

They technically missed the playoffs this year by losing to the 12th seed Hawks in the qualifying round, in their home barn.

Things have to go catastrophically wrong for a team with 2 Art Ross winners to underperform.

McDavid and Draisaitl have never been the issue, but the surrounding core has to be one of the weakest in the NHL.

Yeah but so did the Pens/Leafs/Rangers there were multiple teams who got bounced who were good teams.

It’s hard to come back and play playoff hockey after months off.

Even though the playins would indicate otherwise I don’t think it’s unfair to say they were a playoff team this year.

 

[FerklundCGY]

At 5v5, McDavid was significantly better in 17-18 than he was in 18-19.

Individual Stats:
17-18 vs 18-19:
G/60: 1.34 vs 1.06
A/60: 1.83 vs 1.76
P/60: 3.17 vs 2.82
S/60: 9.20 vs 6.91
ixGF/60: 1.03 vs 0.74
iSCF/60: 11.17 vs 8.67
iHDCF/60: 6.07 vs 3.74

On-Ice Team Stats (Relative):
*For stats: positive equals good
*Against stats: negative equals good
*Overall stats: positive equals good
17-18 vs 18-19:
CF/60: 9.83 vs 9.11
CA/60: 2.78 vs 3.00
CF%: 2.82 vs 2.90
FF/60: 9.21 vs 8.39
FA/60: 2.25 vs 4.82
FF%: 3.67 vs 2.43
SF/60: 6.31 vs 5.64
SA/60: 1.96 vs 4.26
SF%: 3.22 vs 1.48
xGF/60: 1.01 vs 0.66
xGA/60: 0.35 vs 0.58
xGF%: 5.94 vs 1.44
SCF/60: 9.12 vs 8.04
SCA/60: 3.35 vs 4.65
SCF%: 4.76 vs 3.55
HDCF/60: 6.28 vs 2.71
HDCA/60: 1.45 vs 2.86
HDCF%: 9.49 vs 0.49

For anyone who doesn't want to read the stats:

- From an individual perspective, McDavid was much better in 17-18 at producing goals, assists, points, shots and scoring chances than in 18-19.
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact on offense in 17-18 than in 18-19.
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact on defense in 17-18 than in 18-19, although he was still really poor defensively in 17-18/
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact overall in 17-18 than in 18-19.

In short, 17-18 McDavid was significantly better than 18-19 McDavid (18-19 McDavid was still dominant)

 

[Thenameless]

I'll take either one for Montreal, and give you my first round pick for the next ten years.

 

[Midnight Judges]

At 5v5, McDavid was significantly better in 17-18 than he was in 18-19.

Individual Stats:
17-18 vs 18-19:
G/60: 1.34 vs 1.06
A/60: 1.83 vs 1.76
P/60: 3.17 vs 2.82
S/60: 9.20 vs 6.91
ixGF/60: 1.03 vs 0.74
iSCF/60: 11.17 vs 8.67
iHDCF/60: 6.07 vs 3.74

On-Ice Team Stats (Relative):
*For stats: positive equals good
*Against stats: negative equals good
*Overall stats: positive equals good
17-18 vs 18-19:
CF/60: 9.83 vs 9.11
CA/60: 2.78 vs 3.00
CF%: 2.82 vs 2.90
FF/60: 9.21 vs 8.39
FA/60: 2.25 vs 4.82
FF%: 3.67 vs 2.43
SF/60: 6.31 vs 5.64
SA/60: 1.96 vs 4.26
SF%: 3.22 vs 1.48
xGF/60: 1.01 vs 0.66
xGA/60: 0.35 vs 0.58
xGF%: 5.94 vs 1.44
SCF/60: 9.12 vs 8.04
SCA/60: 3.35 vs 4.65
SCF%: 4.76 vs 3.55
HDCF/60: 6.28 vs 2.71
HDCA/60: 1.45 vs 2.86
HDCF%: 9.49 vs 0.49

For anyone who doesn't want to read the stats:

- From an individual perspective, McDavid was much better in 17-18 at producing goals, assists, points, shots and scoring chances than in 18-19.
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact on offense in 17-18 than in 18-19.
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact on defense in 17-18 than in 18-19, although he was still really poor defensively in 17-18/
- From a team perspective, McDavid had a much bigger impact overall in 17-18 than in 18-19.

In short, 17-18 McDavid was significantly better than 18-19 McDavid (18-19 McDavid was still dominant)

McDavid was on the ice for significantly less than half as many high danger scoring chances per 60 in a season where he scored at basically the same 5v5/PPG? Am I reading this correctly?

His expected goals for was 50% higher, again, in a consecutive season where the same player scored at a nearly identical rate?

 

[Video Nasty]

This site is something else sometimes. Peoples’ minds will melt and they’ll fall all over themselves propping up players like MacKinnon and Matthews, yet they’ll nitpick a player like McDavid to death.

McDavid has gotten better every year and if not for COVID and recovering from his knee injury, he would have yet again set a new career high in points.

Assuming we get anything resembling a full season, I fully expect Drai to hand over all his hardware at the conclusion of it.