Player Discussion Max Domi - Lookin' Good Edition!

[Deebs]

I can't embed it so I'll just post the link:

Après-match c. NYI : Domi

Thanks

 

[Deebs]

He wasn't shooting. I don't know if you saw buy his dad awhile ago was being interviewed by the Mtl media and he was begging them to tell Max to shoot more.

Him and Drouin both got their 150th point of their careers last night I believe

 

[waffledave]

This guy seems to have completely changed how he plays now that he's in a real hockey market. One of the rare types that blossoms in the spotlight. Even though Glachenyuk is ripping it up too I can't even be mad, this guy has been a gem thus far.

 

[Habs Icing]

Being a team player, maybe?

Gallagher probably summoned him to "don't be like PK"

If you watch the video you'll see 3 or 4 reporters wanting to talk about his game but he kept saying it was a team win.

 

[Habs Icing]

Being a team player, maybe?

Gallagher probably summoned him to "don't be like PK"

Him and Gally seem to be tight.

You got a good point.

 

[Belial]

He wasn't shooting. I don't know if you saw his dad awhile ago was being interviewed by the Mtl media and he was begging them to tell Max to shoot more.

Well, he got 150 shots last season... It's not a ton but it's not nothing...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Domi has been very dynamic with his puck management. I still would like to see him shoot more and his shot is way better than I thought it was heading into the season. It's nice to have vision and feed of the wingers but when you get in scoring opportunities, shoot please!

A shot first type center who has vision keeps the opposing team guessing as well. The more you make them think, the better. Right now, we are still a pass happy type team and every team in the league knows it.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Like LL said, it's early. You often see 1<2 ppg players before around the quarter season mark. Pretty sure we won't have more than 2-3 players with 100 points by season's end, if we do get more than one.

That's definitely the case early on. But we'll see if it lasts. Often recently, the game has changed due to rule changes, it opens up, but then teams make defensive adjustments, and scoring goes back down.

We'll see how long this scoring spree lasts. If it does, Domi is currently 46th in points per game and thus would project to finish 46th in scoring.

Yeah but looking at the last 10 or so years where scoring's been relatively low, have we really seen this many players pace like this? Even in the early stages?

I'm wondering if anyone can track this. It seems like the game is opening up again and/or there's just a TON of new young offensive talent right now. I'm pretty convinced that more scoring's happening.

 

[Habs Icing]

This guy seems to have completely changed how he plays now that he's in a real hockey market. One of the rare types that blossoms in the spotlight. Even though Glachenyuk is ripping it up too I can't even be mad, this guy has been a gem thus far.

When the trade went down I was ecstatic we got Domi and upset we lost Chucky but I never thought he would play this well. I thought it would take him some time to re-acclimatize to the center position. He's playing like a #1. God I hope he can keep it up. Even if his play slides to a #2, this has to be one of the best trades in awhile.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Agreed. Not sure if the Mods focused on it but it's definitely better lately. It's very weird how people sit in front of a computer and act like a bully. Try communicating to people the same way as you would if you were talking to their face. Be respectful and it's OK to have a disagreement but don't flip out if someone don't agree with you.

You two should stop playing victim and realize that even when it's offhanded and subtle, as you both have did in the past, as everyone has, it's still disrespect.

When someone offers an argument but you simply and completely dismiss it, it is disrespect. When you put words into someone else's mouth, it's still disrespect. When you use dishonest sophistry like strawman arguments, it's still disrespect.

Btw, I act the same here as in person. I have no qualms at telling people when they're out of line or are wrong, invent stuff, make illogical arguments and so on. And yes, I act the same way. When I see a friend babbling about somethimg they don't know or don't seem to understand, Im gonna blurt out some mild insult, because most people nowadays have their grand opinion and most times it has more to do with their ego than facts.

 

[Habs Icing]

Yeah but looking at the last 10 or so years where scoring's been relatively low, have we really seen this many players pace like this? Even in the early stages?

I'm wondering if anyone can track this. It seems like the game is opening up again and/or there's just a TON of new young offensive talent right now. I'm pretty convinced that more scoring's happening.

Another contributing factor is the change in goalie equipment that took effect this year. It must be working because quite a few goalies are complaining to the league.

 

[Belial]

I just saw Domi's post NYI game video. The reporters kept asking him about his personal record and he kept changing the conversation to the team win. Refused to talk about his contribution. I wonder what that was about.

Attitude? Character?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yeah but looking at the last 10 or so years where scoring's been relatively low, have we really seen this many players pace like this? Even in the early stages?

I'm wondering if anyone can track this. It seems like the game is opening up again and/or there's just a TON of new young offensive talent right now. I'm pretty convinced that more scoring's happening.

From memory, this is pretty regular. Stats will have normalized by the end of January.

And adding talent to the league does not create more scoring, it's the opposite, it renders the game tighter.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well, he got 150 shots last season... It's not a ton but it's not nothing...

2 shots per game is not nothing but a top 2 center should have more IMO. I value centers who are scoring threats but also has vision. If Domi can raise his shot totals from 200-250, it would be an improvement on production IMO.

150 shots is Pleky type shooting. Domi has 30 shots in 14 games. Prorates to 175 shots. If he can get to about 250, I think his game gets even better.

 

[JSR 56]

domi is alot better than i expected. i think him and galchenyuk would have been dynamite together

 

[Mrb1p]

In early 15-16, Pleks, Chucky and Subban were all PPG after 20 games.

Damn that was a good start.

 

[scrubadam]

I just saw Domi's post NYI game video. The reporters kept asking him about his personal record and he kept changing the conversation to the team win. Refused to talk about his contribution. I wonder what that was about.

Cuz Domi is about the team, its not about him, his goals or points. He said it himself its a team game and it was about winning. Thats the type of guy you want who puts the team first, himself second.

 

[Belial]

2 shots per game is not nothing but a top 2 center should have more IMO. I value centers who are scoring threats but also has vision. If Domi can raise his shot totals from 200-250, it would be an improvement on production IMO.

150 shots is Pleky type shooting. Domi has 30 shots in 14 games. Prorates to 175 shots. If he can get to about 250, I think his game gets even better.

This is a debate without ending IMO because we should take into account the quality of those shots and so on...

Because as I'm hearing a lot of times around here shots are not that important... But of course, the narrative changes all the time when needed. \

You can have 150 shots but have more HDCF than having 250 shots... It's tough to have some sort of consensus.

From what I've seen this far Domi will not shoot the puck if he doesn't think he has a real chance to score while Gally will shoot that puck from any possible angle available...

 

[scrubadam]

Yeah but looking at the last 10 or so years where scoring's been relatively low, have we really seen this many players pace like this? Even in the early stages?

I'm wondering if anyone can track this. It seems like the game is opening up again and/or there's just a TON of new young offensive talent right now. I'm pretty convinced that more scoring's happening.

Also the goalies shrunk their chest pads. Its been pointed out a couple of times by the TSN announcers this year. The small pads around the chest area make it easier to squeeze pucks by the goalies.

Its not 100% the reason as I think younger players, the enforcing of rules like slashing, and coaches opening the game up a bit more. But the goalie equipment is probably playing a factor as well.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is a debate without ending IMO because we should take into account the quality of those shots and so on...

Because as I'm hearing a lot of times around here shots are not that important... But of course, the narrative changes all the time when needed. \

You can have 150 shots but have more HDCF than having 250 shots... It's tough to have some sort of consensus.

From what I've seen this far Domi will not shoot the puck if he doesn't think he has a real chance to score while Gally will shoot that puck from any possible angle available...

Understood. But I still would like our centers to shoot a bit more. Domi has a good shot too.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You two should stop playing victim and realize that even when it's offhanded and subtle, as you both have did in the past, as everyone has, it's still disrespect.

When someone offers an argument but you simply and completely dismiss it, it is disrespect. When you put words into someone else's mouth, it's still disrespect. When you use dishonest sophistry like strawman arguments, it's still disrespect.

Btw, I act the same here as in person. I have no qualms at telling people when they're out of line or are wrong, invent stuff, make illogical arguments and so on. And yes, I act the same way. When I see a friend babbling about somethimg they don't know or don't seem to understand, Im gonna blurt out some mild insult, because most people nowadays have their grand opinion and most times it has more to do with their ego than facts.

I don't try to bully others when they disagree with me. I engage in the debate and try to remain respectful. However, Those posters who go on attack mode are replied with the same style.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah but looking at the last 10 or so years where scoring's been relatively low, have we really seen this many players pace like this? Even in the early stages?

I'm wondering if anyone can track this. It seems like the game is opening up again and/or there's just a TON of new young offensive talent right now. I'm pretty convinced that more scoring's happening.

scoring is definitely up this year compared to other recent years. But scoring sometimes increases one year and then decreases either during the year or over the next couple of years, not due to rule changes, but due to coaches adapting defensive systems based on rule changes.

But I agree the likelihood is very high that we'll have a much higher number of point per game players this year than in years past.

Here's the top 10 from 2005-2006, after the lockout and all the rule changes were made to open up the game:

1	Joe Thornton, C	BOS/SJ	81	29	96	125	31	61	1.54	195	14.9	6	11	40	0	2
2	Jaromir Jagr, RW	NYR	82	54	69	123	34	72	1.50	368	14.7	9	24	28	0	0
3	Alex Ovechkin, LW	WAS	81	52	54	106	2	52	1.31	425	12.2	5	21	31	3	0
4	Dany Heatley, LW	OTT	82	50	53	103	29	86	1.26	300	16.7	7	23	20	2	2
	Daniel Alfredsson, RW	OTT	77	43	60	103	29	50	1.34	249	17.3	8	16	32	5	1
6	Sidney Crosby, C	PIT	81	39	63	102	-1	110	1.26	278	14.0	5	16	31	0	2
7	Eric Staal, C	CAR	82	45	55	100	-8	81	1.22	279	16.1	4	19	21	4	0
8	Ilya Kovalchuk, LW	ATL	78	52	46	98	-6	68	1.26	323	16.1	7	27	29	0	1
9	Marc Savard, C	ATL	82	28	69	97	7	100	1.18	212	13.2	4	14	36	1	2
10	Jonathan Cheechoo, RW	SJ	82	56	37	93	23	58	1.13	317	17.7	11	24	17	2	0

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here's the top 10 before the lock out

1	Martin St. Louis, RW	TB	82	38	56	94	35	24	1.15	212	17.9	7	8	22	8	3
2	Ilya Kovalchuk, LW	ATL	81	41	46	87	-10	63	1.07	341	12.0	6	16	17	1	1
	Joe Sakic, C	COL	81	33	54	87	11	42	1.07	253	13.0	3	13	24	1	0
4	Markus Naslund, LW	VAN	78	35	49	84	24	58	1.08	296	11.8	6	5	21	0	0
5	Marian Hossa, RW	OTT	81	36	46	82	4	46	1.01	233	15.5	5	14	25	1	0
6	Patrik Elias, LW	NJ	82	38	43	81	26	44	0.99	300	12.7	9	9	11	3	1
7	Daniel Alfredsson, RW	OTT	77	32	48	80	12	24	1.04	230	13.9	5	9	29	0	1
	Cory Stillman, LW	TB	81	25	55	80	18	36	0.99	178	14.0	6	11	15	1	0
9	Robert Lang, C	DET/WAS	69	30	49	79	4	24	1.14	163	18.4	3	10	27	0	0
	Brad Richards, C	TB	82	26	53	79	14	12	0.96	244	10.7	6	5	21	1	1

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Then, even though the rules were only changed to continue to open the game, scoring went back down (imo as coaches developed defensive systems to counter the offense).

And here's top 10 scoring from 2 years ago, before they started calling penalties for small hooks and slashes to the hands (looks a lot close to pre-lockout):

1	Connor McDavid, C	EDM	82	30	70	100	27	26	1.22	251	12.0	6	3	24	1	1
2	Sidney Crosby, C	PIT	75	44	45	89	17	24	1.19	255	17.3	5	14	11	0	0
	Patrick Kane, RW	CHI	82	34	55	89	11	32	1.09	292	11.6	5	7	16	0	0
4	Nicklas Backstrom, C	WSH	82	23	63	86	17	38	1.05	162	14.2	5	8	27	0	0
5	Nikita Kucherov, RW	TB	74	40	45	85	13	38	1.15	246	16.3	7	17	15	0	0
	Brad Marchand, LW	BOS	80	39	46	85	18	81	1.06	226	17.3	8	9	15	3	2
7	Mark Scheifele, C	WPG	79	32	50	82	18	38	1.04	160	20.0	5	7	8	0	2
8	Leon Draisaitl, C	EDM	82	29	48	77	7	20	0.94	172	16.9	5	10	17	0	0
9	Brent Burns, D	SJ	82	29	47	76	19	40	0.93	320	9.1	6	8	17	0	1
10	Vladimir Tarasenko, RW	STL	82	39	36	75	-1	12	0.91	286	13.6	8	9	13	0	0

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[Hector Salamanca]

2 shots per game is not nothing but a top 2 center should have more IMO. I value centers who are scoring threats but also has vision. If Domi can raise his shot totals from 200-250, it would be an improvement on production IMO.

150 shots is Pleky type shooting. Domi has 30 shots in 14 games. Prorates to 175 shots. If he can get to about 250, I think his game gets even better.

last year a total of 20 players and 7 centers did shot 250 times or more ...

 

[Habs Halifax]

last year a total of 20 players and 7 centers did shot 250 times or more ...

Yes but how many in the 200-250 range? That's what I said in the post you replied to right? What's wrong with wanting your top 2 centers to shoot the puck a bit more when they are in scoring opportunities?

Would I be upset if Domi had 190 shots? NO. The point is to shoot a bit more. Especially if the wingers on the team are also pass happy types.

Go look at the centers who shot 150 times or less. You will see my point.

 

[Hector Salamanca]

Yes but how many in the 200-250 range? That's what I said in the post you replied to right? What's wrong with wanting your top 2 centers to shoot the puck a bit more when they are in scoring opportunities?

Would I be upset if Domi had 190 shots? NO. The point is to shoot a bit more. Especially if the wingers on the team are also pass happy types.

Go look at the centers who shot 150 times or less. You will see my point.

im not saying it wrong or anything, i just think 250 was a bit of a reach. I do agree if he shoot more, he will be more dangerous and unpredictable. i was just stating fact that not as much center or player shot the puck as much as you hope domi to do.