TSN: Matthews, Tavares & Marner on TSN's top 50 players list for the 2018-2019 season

hector morrison

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1.5 seasons means nothing. You could find 1.5 seasons where Ovi was better than Crosby. You could probably find 1.5 seasons where Stamkos was as good as Crosby. You can't tell anything from 1.5 seasons is the reality of the matter. It's promising, sure but is he PPG player? No. McDavid is, way above PPG actually but reportedly, Matthews wants McDavid money. He can F-Off if that's true.

List is a joke, you can't take 1.5 freaking years of advanced stats and proclaim a player #8 in the world.
He is this year and there is more ...he also is ranked #2 in the league in defensive plays in the leaguebehind some guy named Bergeron. So,keep harpin about how long he has been in the league (2 seasons) all you like,but a player who starts his career as the the #1 even strength goal scorer and the #2 defensive forward is 'ALL THAT"! Have you even watched him play?
 

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If you don't think that the Matthews Nylander soft play vs. Boston was not noticed by scouts and coaches the like... Think again. It's not just then either, both Nylander and Matthews do their best to avoid physical play, and as good as they are, they need to become men. JT does not avoid the physical elements of the game, he will take a hit to make a play. You're going to love watching Matthews have to push himself to be as good as JT this season. Hockey isn't all about potting pucks in the net you know. If you want to isolate certain things and fabricate your own criteria for best players in the NHL, it's easy to make a list appear to favor young players. Doesn't mean it's a good list, just a list.

This is why we cant have nice things!!!! The kids 20!!say it with me TWENTY. I bet you were a mans man at Twenty. They were facing the best center in the leauge at his own side of the rink. They got shut down, happens. Now that he knows look out!!!! The best thing that happend was auston was mad about it.

They are not perfect, relax and stop being all self righteous about it, you dont need to worry your little head, we have professionals who will make them men, in fact one they become men, i will personally send you a poster of auston manthews for your wall
 

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good rankings for Matthews and Tavares.

Marner might not deserve that though.
How much is PPG or points per 60 influencing this list?
I’ve noticed a big up in arms on the main board concerning Draisaitl and Marner but Marner actually has the higher points per 60.
One plays 19 + minutes/night while Marner averaged 16.
 

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If Laine is in the 20s, it's hard to argue Marner doesn't even deserve to be on the list. They're very similar

Similar how??

Laine finished 2nd to OV in the Rocket Richard most goals in the NHL.
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Goals >> Assists because there is a premiere put on goal scorers.

Matthews and Laine are similar.

The reason Matthews is at #8 and Laine at #20 is because Centres are > Wingers and so a premium is put on the position.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews

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Similar how??

Laine finished 2nd to OV in the Rocket Richard most goals in the NHL.
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Goals >> Assists because there is a premiere put on goal scorers.

Matthews and Laine are similar.
Marner and Laine are both second line scoring wingers who excel on the powerplay. Laine is a better goal scorer, but he's a bad passer and bad defensively. Marner is a mediocre goal scorer, but an elite playmaker and pretty solid defensively. Matthews is an elite all around #1 center who can play against anyone and dominate at 5v5.
 
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ninetyone

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1.5 seasons means nothing. You could find 1.5 seasons where Ovi was better than Crosby. You could probably find 1.5 seasons where Stamkos was as good as Crosby. You can't tell anything from 1.5 seasons is the reality of the matter. It's promising, sure but is he PPG player? No. McDavid is, way above PPG actually but reportedly, Matthews wants McDavid money. He can F-Off if that's true.

List is a joke, you can't take 1.5 freaking years of advanced stats and proclaim a player #8 in the world.

by that logic, McDavid shouldn't be considered high either.

Lists are stupid and meant solely for media attention/conversation. That's why Craig Button made sure he had Tavares that low, because he loves to rant on radio, which is great for just that - radio.

Let's not pretend there's much difference between #5 and #25. It's very subjective, it's fluid, and impossible across positions, context within the team, and arbitrary stats.

Based on ability, output, stats, eye-test - Auston Matthews is pretty damn special. He didn't have a great playoff against Boston last year - so what. It's a few games.

Yes it's "only" 1.5-2 seasons, but it's the FIRST TWO seasons, that makes a huge difference. Not solely cherry picking 1.5-2 seasons over a 10-15 year career.
 

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This could be Marner's super breakout year. I think he's figured out the league. He's on the top line on a team with 2 elite top lines. Statistically Tavares is likely at his peak for his "Leaf years" and that will coincide with Marner ready to take the next step. The result is going to be pure magic. 90 points for Marner is my prediction and I think that 95 is not out of the question if things break right (health, PP continues to be near the top of the league, Marner puts up some shorties on the PK, etc.)
 

ninetyone

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Similar how??

Laine finished 2nd to OV in the Rocket Richard most goals in the NHL.
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Goals >> Assists because there is a premiere put on goal scorers.

Matthews and Laine are similar.

if it's a projection to how the players will do THIS YEAR, then I can see why Marner would project to be higher than most think. He's expected/projected to have a special season/statistically.

Laine's a great goal scorer but the rest of his game is unspectacular to say the least. He doesn't really drive play much, doesn't create much, but he can purely score.

Your ranking of goals > assists is true, exactly how much, who knows. But we often discount the playmaker's role in creating goals - measured by assists. Rob Brown wasn't as much a great goal scorer inasmuch as Mario Lemieux was a great set-up guy. A more recent example is Matt Moulson.

Context matters....it saves you from paying a 3 time 30 goal scorer $25 MM for 5 years!
 

willmma

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Here is the same list sorted by the number of players who made the list per team.

Tam4
Was4
Wpg4
Nsh4
Phi3
Clb3
Tor3
Bos3
Pit3
Dal2
Col2
SJ2
Stl2
LA2
NYI1
Ana1
Buf1
Chi1
Cgy1
Edm1
Ott1
Fla1
NJ1
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Gives you an indication of where teams stand.
 
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Marshy

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Its interesting to compare this ranking made up of 27 TSN analysts consensus vs TSN top 300 projections this upcoming season.

Statistically Speaking: Projected Top 300 Scorers


https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-projected-top-300-scorers-1.1171167



Marner +1 point over last year with a bump up to an elite scoring line, natural development while opposing teams struggle to defend 2 of the top lines in the league. Seems legit.

Talk about overcompensating to appear non-biased.
 

willmma

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Its interesting to compare this ranking made up of 27 TSN analysts consensus vs TSN top 300 projections this upcoming season.

Statistically Speaking: Projected Top 300 Scorers


https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-projected-top-300-scorers-1.1171167



TeamPlayers Count Goal Total
Nashville13237
Carolina13231
Toronto11231
Tampa Bay11225
St. Louis12214
Winnipeg9212
Boston10208
Pittsburgh10206
Columbus11201
N.Y. Islanders12200
Washington10193
Arizona11193
Los Angeles10190
San Jose10189
Florida9186
Calgary11186
Philadelphia9186
Minnesota10184
Anaheim10181
Detroit11179
Dallas9176
Chicago9171
Vegas9170
Buffalo9163
Edmonton8154
Ottawa9151
Montreal10149
N.Y. Rangers9146
New Jersey9143
Vancouver6125
Colorado6118
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 

Knightnight

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Similar how??

Laine finished 2nd to OV in the Rocket Richard most goals in the NHL.
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Goals >> Assists because there is a premiere put on goal scorers.

Matthews and Laine are similar.

The reason Matthews is at #8 and Laine at #20 is because Centres are > Wingers and so a premium is put on the position.

yeah tell that Hall Kane and OVI. You never stop. Your boy Barzy can't score goals. Never has at any level. Worlds, JR... We will see now he has to play D what happens. Whats the over under on 85 points this season. Cause I am on the under all day long.
 

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