Confirmed with Link: Matthews new deal Pt 3

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  1. ImpartialNHLfan

    ImpartialNHLfan Registered User

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    I hear you man. Im a diehard Leaf fan, can check my post history. I've defended pretty much everything except the Nylander and Matthews signings. I don't see how these can be defended, it's brutal but it's happening on here. I even have to man up and admit I was dead wrong about how these negotiations went down with @Mess. It hurts but it is what it is... He was right :booboo:
     
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    Hows it working in Calgary, or Boston???
     
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    Dubas would have a hard time getting a first round pick for Matthews at this point. he is Bad...luckily he did not sign for 8 years. That would have been awful.
     
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    It's potentially a new and different (due to the relatively shorter term compared to other high AAV contracts around the league) contract comparable. Therefore, teams with big negotiations coming up are going to be highly interested in it. It's not an immediate home run for the Leafs IMO (it's better for the player, or maybe market value depending on opinion). It's a five year pact that needs some time to play out. The apparent cap crunch of next season also likely means contracts are going to be subject to a higher degree of scrutiny.
     
  5. Raym11

    Raym11 Phaneuf sucks

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    For how agonizing Matthews is, i cant imagine what it must be like to be a Laine fan. Watching these 2 guys is the most frustrating thing in sports
     
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    Oh no I think you thought I sad Marner. You know the guy who carries the puck into the zone, beats a man or two if he has to and then calmly sets up a play. Matthews is the one that receives the puck in the neutral zone then within .5 seconds dishes it to a winger or in the area of a winger. Nylander also likes to Drive play, you know hold onto the puck for a few seconds while carrying it into the O zone. Yea, Mcdavid likes to do this aswell also Mckinnon does it pretty good as well as Aho....
     
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    @Mess can definitely put the feather in his cap for those ones. IIRC he was essentially betting on Dubas to get bent over in both the Matthews and Nylander negotiations and he was definitely right.
     
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    I can readily admit I was remarkably wrong in the Nylander negotiation threads. I didn’t think there was even a slight chance that our management team would allow themselves to be taken advantage of this way. I simply had too much faith in Shanahan and Dubas.

    But from the moment I saw the Nylander dramatic overpayment, I was certain it would create a trickle effect on Matthews and Marner.

    Looking just at the leafs... if Nylanders 20 goals/60 points is worth 7.5x6, then what would a 40 goal Calder trophy winning rookie year get? What will a 90-100 point 3rd elc year look like? It all came down to that Nylander contract. And the dramatic overpayment they settled on was the catalyst that will break this young team apart.
     
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    ^^ This. ^^
     
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    That's fair but in our defense, he has to try - and it doesn't look like he is.
     
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    Probably grown tired with how Babock uses him.
     
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    I'll do that but I doubt you will find an Oiler fan willing to make that trade. :)
     
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    Dubas is doing well getting the core signed under the cap and Babcock is a very good coach.
     
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    TBH, I don't care about the money - MLSE has it to burn.

    I do care about the effort and whether we can count on Matthews to go to the next level because if we get "Playoff Matthews" for the next 5 years, the cap hit from signing the guy will be painful.
     
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    We had Phil Kessel signed to a (much more reasonable) long term contract just a few years ago.

    Matthews no longer battles for the puck and puts in no effort in his own end anymore. He looks like a player that's given up or doesn't care. What exactly separates Matthews from Kessel at this point?
     
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    This might be the worst post in HFBoards history
     
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    Phil Kessel is literally one of my favourite non-Leaf NHLers but this is silly. Matthews is considerably better.
     
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    Not the way he's played over the last two months. The lack of effort we're seeing from him is no different from what Phil was panned for while he was here.
     
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    At you try to rationalize that here.
     
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    You should try and form a complete sentence.
     
  21. dsred

    dsred Babcock- Flushing seasons away since 2008

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    Throw in Zaitsev and a bag of pucks. And maybe a new Zamboni.

    Yeah, a new Zamboni...
     
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    Or.
    A winger with size to create room for him.
    He is great at skill.
    He is awful at tough.
     
  23. dsred

    dsred Babcock- Flushing seasons away since 2008

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    So we need to spend millions on a big skilled tough winger to make our $11.634 Million Dollar Man effective?
     
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    you think there weren't stretches where McDavid and Sid "disappeared"? McDavid had an abysmal start to the last 2 seasons by his standards. There were actually people questioning McDavid and just how generational he is.

    Every young player goes through it. What seperates them is that in their slumps they still produce what would be solid numbers for most players. Everyone forgets them when they're over.

    Matthews is still on an elite points/goals pace. He doesn't need injury justifications. He just needs to figure it out.
     
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    Notsince67 Papi and the Lamplighters

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    LMAO
     
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