Value of: Matthew Tkachuk

[Lunatik]

Who knew....putting your first line players on a first line together would lead to success?

The Flames have 4 first line players, one happened to be injured this year.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'm asking his value for a friend

 

[Tkachuky]

Who knew....putting your first line players on a first line together would lead to success?

I think Monahan playing injured was very obvious.

The bigger problem was who they played with... Leivo and Ritchie are not 1st line material.

 

[blankall]

The Flames have 4 first line players, one happened to be injured this year.

I think Monahan playing injured was very obvious.

The bigger problem was who they played with... Leivo and Ritchie are not 1st line material.

Fair enough. I'm being harsh to Monahan, who was clearly not able to play up to his full potential due to injury. However, I do think the current top line clearly works, and the previous coaches being extremely slavish about line combos was a major mistake.

 

[its josh]

About as available as someone like Chatie McAvoy

HF:

 

[Bond]

Only way I would want the Flames to trade him is in a package for Eichel.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I think he's the type of guy you need to win a cup. Once you trade him, you become soft.

Monahan and Gaudreau should both be out the door before him.

 

[Roof Daddy]

He'll sign a long-term extension and his QO won't mean jack shit

.....or he could sign a 1 year QO for 9 million, play that year out and become a UFA at 25.

How much is that extension offer going to be for?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I think he's the type of guy you need to win a cup. Once you trade him, you become soft.

Monahan and Gaudreau should both be out the door before him.

Gaudreau is the guy you build around on the Flames. Tkachuk is good but he’s not Gaudreau and never will be. More a result of how underrated Gaudreau is on this site.

 

[Lunatik]

.....or he could sign a 1 year QO for 9 million, play that year out and become a UFA at 25.

How much is that extension offer going to be for?

And how often does this actually happen? Almost never.

 

[mpp9]

Gaudreau is the guy you build around on the Flames. Tkachuk is good but he’s not Gaudreau and never will be. More a result of how underrated Gaudreau is on this site.

Yeah at worst, they’re elite at different things. No way would I say Gaudrau is less important.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

.....or he could sign a 1 year QO for 9 million, play that year out and become a UFA at 25.

How much is that extension offer going to be for?

If he refuses to sign long term he will be moved

 

[Roof Daddy]

And how often does this actually happen? Almost never.

How often does your scenario happen? I’m also gonna say almost never. We didn’t see these smaller term bridge deals pop up until very recently. There hasn’t been any deals like Tkachuk/DeBrincat/Point get to the final year with a backloaded final year yet.

The closest example might be Ryan O’Reilly, where his 2nd contract was a 2 year, backloaded deal. He did sign an extension for less than his QO, but it wasn’t long term, it was 2 years at 6 (vs 1 year 6.5), but it took him directly to UFA status at his earliest opportunity.

 

[therealkoho]

.....or he could sign a 1 year QO for 9 million, play that year out and become a UFA at 25.

How much is that extension offer going to be for?

uhmmm don't think that's how a QO works, a QO is only for the club to retain the RFA's rights, not positive but it's like the previous years salary +10% which would be 7.7

 

[bbny]

Eichel to Flames makes sense, but Tkachuk to Sabres not as much. The Rangers would love Tkachuk. How about a 3 way trade?

To Flames: Eichel, Gauthier
To Rangers: Tkachuk, Lucic @ 50%
To Sabres: Buchnevich/Zac Jones/1st from Rangers side, Pelletier/1st from Flames side. 5 1st round quality pieces. Mixture of F, D, futures.

Flames get Eichel, unload half of Lucic's cap hit, and a cheap young winger with some potential.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Eichel to Flames makes sense, but Tkachuk to Sabres not as much. The Rangers would love Tkachuk. How about a 3 way trade?

To Flames: Eichel, Gauthier
To Rangers: Tkachuk, Lucic @ 50%
To Sabres: Buchnevich/Zac Jones/1st from Rangers side, Pelletier/1st from Flames side. 5 1st round quality pieces. Mixture of F, D, futures.

Flames get Eichel, unload half of Lucic's cap hit, and a cheap young winger with some potential.

You posted that in the other thread, Flames arent gonna do that

 

[Roof Daddy]

uhmmm don't think that's how a QO works, a QO is only for the club to retain the RFA's rights, not positive but it's like the previous years salary +10% which would be 7.7

It is actually. The QO is based on the yearly salary in the final year of the contract. It’s why all these guys started going for bridge deals vs long term deals coming out of their ELC. Tkachuk, Point and DeBrincat will all require a 9 million dollar QO.

The 10% bump on a QO only applies if the salary is below league average.

 

[bbny]

You posted that in the other thread, Flames arent gonna do that

What's the hold up? Eichel for Tkachuk, a 1st, and a prospect seems pretty close to me.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

What's the hold up? Eichel for Tkachuk, a 1st, and a prospect seems pretty close to me.

You realize Tkachuk will just walk from Buffalo as a UFA in 2 years right? He would also probably make them just good enough to not get last place for Wright and Bedard.

 

[bbny]

You realize Tkachuk will just walk from Buffalo as a UFA in 2 years right? He would also probably make them just good enough to not get last place for Wright and Bedard.

I don't have Tkachuk going to Buffalo.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don't have Tkachuk going to Buffalo.

Whos retaining 50%

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I don't have Tkachuk going to Buffalo.

I like the deal from a Flames perspective. Doubt Buffalo would be into it though

 

[Tobias Kahun]

uhmmm don't think that's how a QO works, a QO is only for the club to retain the RFA's rights, not positive but it's like the previous years salary +10% which would be 7.7

That's exactly how they work.

Tkachuk has a qualifying offer of 9m, and yes they are to retain rights, but Tkachuk can sign it and be good to go and make 9m that year.

They updated the CBA for contracts signed after July 10, 2020, which doesn't apply to Tkachuk as he signed his before.

• The Qualifying Offer is limited to 120% of their previous contracts annual average (AAV)

 

[treple13]

Gaudreau is the guy you build around on the Flames. Tkachuk is good but he’s not Gaudreau and never will be. More a result of how underrated Gaudreau is on this site.

It's amazing to see the confirmation bias people have about Gaudreau. He's "bad" in the playoffs, and Tkachuk is a guy you win with. And yet Gaudreau has been better than Tkachuk in every playoffs. If anything, Tkachuk is the guy who needs to figure the playoffs out (and to be fair, he looked better last year until his injury).

Gaudreau always creates. He always makes his linemates better. He plays hard and with emotion. Teams have been able to shut him down only by double/triple teaming him and daring his linemates to do something.

 

[Hasbro]

If anything, Tkachuk is the guy who needs to figure the playoffs out (and to be fair, he looked better last year until his injury).

It’s funny his father was a notoriously bad playoff player too. Maybe it’s hereditary.