Matthew Tkachuk vs Leon Draisaitl

Matthew Tkachuk vs Leon Draisaitl


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yegoldboysclub

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2200 players drafted in the NHL since 2010. One of them has 50 goals in season.


Tkachuk is not one of them.
 

Mickey Marner

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Draisaitl needs to sustain even adequate production away from McDavid before I can be convinced he's more valuable. Tkachuk has demonstrated the ability to excel regardless if he's the primary, secondary or tertiary player on a line. That's extremely unique and so is his size/skill/agitation/physicality combination.
 

Ctrain2k

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Draisaitl needs to sustain even adequate production away from McDavid before I can be convinced he's more valuable. Tkachuk has demonstrated the ability to excel regardless if he's the primary, secondary or tertiary player on a line. That's extremely unique and so is his size/skill/agitation/physicality combination.

back to back 70+ point seasons good enough for you?
 

Mickey Marner

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back to back 70+ point seasons good enough for you?

In those two seasons combined he played more 5v5 minutes with McDavid than without.

Having said that, I'm not even slightly interested in turning this Draisaitl thread into the same with/without 97 discussion that every Draisaitl thread turns into. So don't expect me to respond to any further comments regarding it.
 

Tad Mikowsky

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Leon Draisaitl is the most punished player in the NHL for playing with a skilled player.

So much so, three 70+ point years, including a 50 goal season and an 100+ point season is automatically discounted.

But hey, at least Tkachuk can drive a line and produce significantly less.
 

CantHaveTkachev

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Player A (5v5):

Rel CF%: 4.49
Rel FF%: 3.84
Rel SF%: 4.40
Rel SCF%: 4.11
Rel HDCF%: 1.60
Goals/60: 0.94
Primary Assists/60: 0.83
Points/60: 2.27
Shots/60: 7.65
SH%: 12.32%
iSCF/60: 7.53
iHDCF/60: 4.32
ixGF/60: 0.76
Penalties drawn/60: 1.22
Giveaways/60: 2.77
Takeaways/60: 2.05
Hits/60: 5.65



Player B (5v5):

Rel CF%: 0.42
Rel FF%: -0.12
Rel SF%: -0.24
Rel SCF%: 1.71
Rel HDCF%: -2.17
Goals/60: 1.22
Primary Assists/60: 0.74
Points/60: 2.57
Shots/60: 6.1
SH%: 20.00%
iSCF/60: 6.57
iHDCF/60: 2.74
ixGF/60: 0.57
Penalties drawn/60: 0.91
Giveaways/60: 3.66
Takeaways/60: 2.31
Hits/60: 2.35

Player A is Matthew Tkachuk, who primarily plays with Mikael Backlund and Michael Frolik.

Player B is Leon Draisaitl, who primarily plays with the best player in the NHL.

Tkachuk is a dominant player (both individually and relative to his teammates) on a great team and primarily plays the shutdown role. Still, he comes out well on top in the huge majority of important categories.

Draisaitl is a meh 5v5 player on a very bad team who relied on an incredibly unsustainable shooting percentage despite playing with the best player in the NHL and still barely outproduced Tkachuk.
one plays with a Norris trophy winner and one doesn't
 

CantHaveTkachev

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Draisaitl needs to sustain even adequate production away from McDavid before I can be convinced he's more valuable. Tkachuk has demonstrated the ability to excel regardless if he's the primary, secondary or tertiary player on a line. That's extremely unique and so is his size/skill/agitation/physicality combination.
Tkachuk need to sustain production with a below average defense before I'm convinced he's more valuable
 

nturn06

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It's next to impossible to make any direct comparison for Draisaitl as he was gifted an insane amount of minutes (most among NHL forwards last year) and opportunity purely out of necessity. Not only did he average 5 more minutes per game than Tkachuk, but he also shot at an incredibly high percentage last season that he will likely never come close to replicating (certainly not consistently). Obviously I don't have a problem with anybody selecting Leon here as he is an elite player, but they are a lot closer than the statistics make it appear.

Gifted? Really?

I can only imagine how many records would Tkachuck break if only your coach would gift him 60 minutes per match....
 

Seachd

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Well, this went about as well as could have been expected. The poll results seem about right though.
 

thadd

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LOL @ Contracts aside. Tkachuk's next contract will probably be for over 10M per season and he's not expected to ever score 50 goals or 100 points in a season.

I'm surprised this has been open for 5 hours.
 

BertMcDrai

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Fair enough.

Tkachuk plays shutdown minutes on the second line and scores at nearly PPG.
Draisaitl takes on first-line duties with the best player in the world as his linemate.

As a Flames fan, for all I know, Tkachuk could be better than Gaudreau offensively but he'll never get a chance to showcase that if Gaudreau is ahead of him on the depth chart.
But I know Draisaitl puts up very impressive numbers while being older, more experienced and playing bigger minutes with a higher-quality centre.

77 pts is a far cry from 105, just as 17.5 minutes ATOI is a far cry from 22.5. It's not exactly apples to apples here - Tkachuk's PK and shutdown duties won't exactly spell "he prevented 30 goals so 77pts=105 pts."

Where is the comparison to be made fairly? Draisaitl has to take it, reasonably speaking.


You mean the 37 seconds last year?:sarcasm:.

For what it´s worth Leon had nearly 100 minutes...You couldn't argue any worse.:huh:
 

hockeyguru

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tkachuk is better for what it's worth. the stat watchers will choose drai though because they lack basic player examining skills
 

Merrrlin

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Tkachuk is a fair bit better defensively and would get pretty close to 100 points with Mcdavid so I’ll go with him.

Is it okay if other people use the same arguments for Point, playing with Kuch?
 

HighLifeMan

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Gifted? Really?

I can only imagine how many records would Tkachuck break if only your coach would gift him 60 minutes per match....

Yes, gifted.

Leon doesn’t lead the league in time on ice for forwards if he were on any other team in the NHL - and certainly wouldn’t play that much on a playoff team. That’s not a knock on him as a player.. The top three forwards in Edmonton are relied upon far too heavily. It’s not his fault Edmonton had literally zero depth last year.
 
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