Matthew Tkachuk vs Leon Draisaitl

[Filthy Dangles]

Contracts aside, who’s the more valuable player?

One guys been more productive but is stapled to the arguably the best player in the world. The other guy hasn’t been as productive but seems to drive his line.

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[Tad Mikowsky]

One player has produced 50 goals and 100 points at least once.

I’ll give it to him.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I really like both but Drai is the guy I pick pretty easily here.

 

[ccman68]

Tkachuk is a fair bit better defensively and would get pretty close to 100 points with Mcdavid so I’ll go with him.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Tkachuk is a rare and valuable player.

Draisaitl is the first guy in 9 seasons to have a 50 goal 50 assist season. This is Draisaitl

 

[1989]

Why even bother? Comparing players of:

a) different drafts
b) different positions (I thought Draisaitl was a centre on his own line?)
c) different lines

and expect that there's some sort of perceived equivalency to be compared?

Surely you jest.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Why even bother? Comparing players of:

a) different drafts
b) different positions (I thought Draisaitl was a centre on his own line?)
c) different lines

and expect that there's some sort of perceived equivalency to be compared?

Surely you jest.

Imagine trying to have a discussion comparing two young high end forwards on a hockey board...pretty crazy I know.

As for the ‘Draisaitl centers his own line’...800 of his 1300 minutes 5on5 were with Connor So that’s not really true. He did not lock down the center ice position or produce a majority of his points there.

 

[HighLifeMan]

It's next to impossible to make any direct comparison for Draisaitl as he was gifted an insane amount of minutes (most among NHL forwards last year) and opportunity purely out of necessity. Not only did he average 5 more minutes per game than Tkachuk, but he also shot at an incredibly high percentage last season that he will likely never come close to replicating (certainly not consistently). Obviously I don't have a problem with anybody selecting Leon here as he is an elite player, but they are a lot closer than the statistics make it appear.

 

[La Bamba]

The guy who scored 50 goals and 105 pts as a 23 year old. Anyone who votes for Tkachuk is cut from the same cloth as Peter Chiarelli/Mike Milbury

This poll is disrespectful to Leon lmao. Can't wait until he tops 100 pts again this season

 

[1989]

Imagine trying to have a discussion comparing two high end young forwards on a hockey board...pretty crazy I know.

As for the ‘Draisaitl centers his own line’...800 of his 1300 minutes 5on5 were with Connor So that’s not really true. He did not lock down the center ice position or produce a majority of his points there.

Fair enough.

Tkachuk plays shutdown minutes on the second line and scores at nearly PPG.
Draisaitl takes on first-line duties with the best player in the world as his linemate.

As a Flames fan, for all I know, Tkachuk could be better than Gaudreau offensively but he'll never get a chance to showcase that if Gaudreau is ahead of him on the depth chart.
But I know Draisaitl puts up very impressive numbers while being older, more experienced and playing bigger minutes with a higher-quality centre.

77 pts is a far cry from 105, just as 17.5 minutes ATOI is a far cry from 22.5. It's not exactly apples to apples here - Tkachuk's PK and shutdown duties won't exactly spell "he prevented 30 goals so 77pts=105 pts."

Where is the comparison to be made fairly? Draisaitl has to take it, reasonably speaking.

 

[Highmarker]

Leon get disrespected so hard on HF.

 

[super6646]

Not a homer, draysaddle gets this easily.

 

[Fourier]

Tkachuk is a fair bit better defensively and would get pretty close to 100 points with Mcdavid so I’ll go with him.

Here is the list of players who got 100 points playing with Crosby...

The list of guys with 90 points playing with Crosby...


Here is the list of guys who had 75 points playing with Crosby....


Jake Guentzel 40 goals 76 points

There is simply no guarantee that Tkachuk gets many more points playing 60% a season with McDavid. It's not like he was playing with chumps. Gaudreau was on the ice for 32 0f his 77 points as was Monahan and Giordano was on the ice for 48 of those points. Most of these were on the pp. At ES his line mates were far better than what Draisaitl had away from McDavid.

For the record...I can't stand Tkachuk, but until Pulujarvi fell to the Oilers he was the guy I wanted and I'd still take him in a heart beat.

 

[snipes]

Drasaitl by a substantial margin.

 

[Highmarker]

Everybody is better than Draisaitl because Draisaitl plays with McDavid. McDavid in no way benefits from playing with him.

 

[Ctrain2k]

Here is the list of players who got 100 points playing with Crosby...

The list of guys with 90 points playing with Crosby...


Here is the list of guys who had 75 points playing with Crosby....

James Neal 40 g 81 pts

Jake Guentzel 40 goals 76 points

There is simply not gaurentee that Tkachuk gets many more points playing 60% a season with McDavid. It's not like he was playing with chumps. Gaudreau was on the ice for 32 0f his 77 points as was Monahan and Giordano was on the ice for 48 of those points. Most of these were on the pp. At ES his line mates were far better than what Draisaitl had away from McDavid.

Didn’t Neal play with Malkin?

 

[Hynh]

Here is the list of players who got 100 points playing with Crosby...

The list of guys with 90 points playing with Crosby...


Here is the list of guys who had 75 points playing with Crosby....

James Neal 40 g 81 pts

Jake Guentzel 40 goals 76 points

There is simply not gaurentee that Tkachuk gets many more points playing 60% a season with McDavid. It's not like he was playing with chumps. Gaudreau was on the ice for 32 0f his 77 points as was Monahan and Giordano was on the ice for 48 of those points. Most of these were on the pp. At ES his line mates were far better than what Draisaitl had away from McDavid.

Neal played that year with Malkin. 60 points that included Malkin vs just 5 points that included Crosby (and only 1 at even strength).

 

[Fourier]

Neal played that year with Malkin. 60 points that included Malkin vs just 5 points that included Crosby (and only 1 at even strength).

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

I missed that!!!!!

 

[Fourier]

Didn’t Neal play with Malkin?

He did indeed so I stand corrected.

 

[Regal]

I'm leaning toward Drai but the obsession with his inflated totals and the suggestions that the rarity of 50-50 has any significance in itself is funny.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Draisatl

Close but clear

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

One player has produced 50 goals and 100 points at least once.

I’ll give it to him.

One guy plays with McDavid. One guy plays with MicBacklund.

 

[Destino]

Love Tkachuk, but this one belongs to Draisaitl.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Similar caliber of players, but center over the wing.

 

[FerklundCGY]

Player A (5v5):

Rel CF%: 4.49
Rel FF%: 3.84
Rel SF%: 4.40
Rel SCF%: 4.11
Rel HDCF%: 1.60
Goals/60: 0.94
Primary Assists/60: 0.83
Points/60: 2.27
Shots/60: 7.65
SH%: 12.32%
iSCF/60: 7.53
iHDCF/60: 4.32
ixGF/60: 0.76
Penalties drawn/60: 1.22
Giveaways/60: 2.77
Takeaways/60: 2.05
Hits/60: 5.65



Player B (5v5):

Rel CF%: 0.42
Rel FF%: -0.12
Rel SF%: -0.24
Rel SCF%: 1.71
Rel HDCF%: -2.17
Goals/60: 1.22
Primary Assists/60: 0.74
Points/60: 2.57
Shots/60: 6.1
SH%: 20.00%
iSCF/60: 6.57
iHDCF/60: 2.74
ixGF/60: 0.57
Penalties drawn/60: 0.91
Giveaways/60: 3.66
Takeaways/60: 2.31
Hits/60: 2.35

Player A is Matthew Tkachuk, who primarily plays with Mikael Backlund and Michael Frolik.

Player B is Leon Draisaitl, who primarily plays with the best player in the NHL.

Tkachuk is a dominant player (both individually and relative to his teammates) on a great team and primarily plays the shutdown role. Still, he comes out well on top in the huge majority of important categories.

Draisaitl is a meh 5v5 player on a very bad team who relied on an incredibly unsustainable shooting percentage despite playing with the best player in the NHL and still barely outproduced Tkachuk.