Matthew Tkachuk or Mitchell Marner?

[Leafs at Knight]

On the avs, we need a tkachuk but otherwise its very even.

I dont see the marner offensive upside that leaf fans are seeing.

Yea true. You probably know more about the Leafs watching 0-5? games a year rather than silly Leafs fans who have watched all of them. True.

 

[Halla]

Tkachuk is definitely better at not being better. It’s not close either.

agreed.

this is my personal favorite. marner on a cold streak was actually losing to kevin fiala
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/marner-vs-fiala.2445657/page-5

Marner (draft+3) 22g/69pts
Fiala (draft+4) 23g/48pts

mitch scored more this year than fiala has through 140 career games (mostly as a 20-21 year old)
but marner squeaks out the win because hfboards will always be hfboards

 

[Tkachuky]

Marner >> Gaudreau.

 

[LeafGrief]

Strong bump Leaf fans.... Points don't tell the whole story.

It's very close as the poll indicates...

20 points tells a pretty good story.

But you're right, Marner also played on the shutdown line with Kadri for the second half of the season and the playoffs. His points alone don't tell the story of how good he is.

It's a shame we can't bump the Marner versus Fiala poll too. That one looks good as well.

 

[justafan22]

The leafs probably get swept vs Boston if marner doesn't play well.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

If Marner continues to play the way he did in the playoffs, him X 10

 

[rent free]

Marner >> Gaudreau.

finally realized that

 

[Tkachuky]

finally realized that

Yup. Marner lock for 100 points next year.

 

[rent free]

Yup. Marner lock for 100 points next year.

you've finally seen the light

 

[olli]

Marner. Higher upside, and he's already better offensively

 

[TOGuy14]

Tkachuk.
And it's not particularly close.

Similar offensive upside, one guy brings everything else.

What? Marner has outscored Tkachuk by 33 points over the past two seasons. What similar offensive upside?

That is like me saying Marner and Tkachuk are similar size physically.

 

[IPS]

What? Marner has outscored Tkachuk by 33 points over the past two seasons. What similar offensive upside?

That is like me saying Marner and Tkachuk are similar size physically.

Because on HFBoards imaginary points are equal to actual points scored by a Leaf. Learn the hierarchy here.

 

[Critical13]

What? Marner has outscored Tkachuk by 33 points over the past two seasons. What similar offensive upside?

That is like me saying Marner and Tkachuk are similar size physically.

Douggie Hamilton and Ron Hainsey I guess also have the same offensive upside?

 

[olli]

Because on HFBoards imaginary points are equal to actual points scored by a Leaf. Learn the hierarchy here.

In that case Wheeler>Matthews. Last 2 seasons: Wheeler 166 points, Matthews 132 points.

 

[IPS]

In that case Wheeler>Matthews. Last 2 seasons: Wheeler 166 points, Matthews 132 points.

Uh ok? Over the last 2 years Wheeler has been better than Matthews.

Don't see how either of those players are relevent to this thread though. Common tactic to save face for humiliation in threads like these.

 

[Critical13]

In that case Wheeler>Matthews. Last 2 seasons: Wheeler 166 points, Matthews 132 points.

He probably has been, tbh.

 

[member 157595]

In that case Wheeler>Matthews. Last 2 seasons: Wheeler 166 points, Matthews 132 points.

Uh, I'm a Leafs fan and Wheeler definitely is better than Matthews right now. What's the point here?

 

[olli]

Uh ok? Over the last 2 years Wheeler has been better than Matthews.

Don't see how either of those players are relevent to this thread though. Common tactic to save face for humiliation in threads like these.

He probably has been, tbh.

Uh, I'm a Leafs fan and Wheeler definitely is better than Matthews right now. What's the point here?

In the past IPS has made numerous claims of Matthews>>Wheeler.

 

[nobody]

In the past IPS has made numerous claims of Matthews>>Wheeler.

Thank you for bringing up something completely irrelevant. Matthews was better than Wheeler last year but Wheeler's MVP calibre season was better than Matthews this season. Considering the past three seasons (including this year), Blake is at the peak of his career at the ripe 31. I don't think there's any shame in Auston getting beat out by a guy having a career year, especially considering the amount of injuries Auston had this year.

As for this poll, Marner is the better player here by a decent margin but with that said, I would happily take Tkachuk on the Leafs (without giving up Matthews/ Marner) since he's BFFs with Auston and he'd be a monster as his winger. Tkachuk brings a fantastic mix of skill, grit and agitation in his game. Something that every team would happily take. However, unless you're getting a Brad Marchand (90 point player atm) or Brendan Gallagher (30G guy atm), it's hard to justify passing up on the extra 20-25 points that Marner will put up over Tkachuk, every year.

To the person who insinuated Marner being PPG while Tkachuk would put up 70-75, I think that is absolutely absurd since Marner has a better shot at putting up 100 points consistently over Tkachuk putting up 70-75 points. Marner will probably average out 70-75 points a year while Tkachuk's career averages I see around 50-55 points. Both players might have a peak season or two but there will always be a significant difference in points.

With that all said though, if your team needs the grit/ agitator more than they need a high scoring winger, then it's perfectly fine taking Tkachuk.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Marner. How is this close?

 

[nobody]

My god theres a lot of hyperbole on that last page for three more points this season.

When Matthews cracks a ppg there might be a parade in Toronto.

20 point difference to end the year and Matthews did crack PPG and there was no parade.

 

[nobody]

Marner. How is this close?

People really dislike the Leafs? This isn't something new. lol

Had McDavid been drafted by the Leafs, the posts about Crosby >>>>> McDavid would be endless.

 

[Bando]

Man leafs fans sure babble about persecution on here like nobody else. Perhaps people just dont see your players as the golden boys the same way you do. There isnt some big conspiracy.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

On the avs, we need a tkachuk but otherwise its very even.

I dont see the marner offensive upside that leaf fans are seeing.

Marner has a higher career ppg than mackinnon. Maybe you should look closer

 

[Haatley]

Marner has edge in offensive ability. That being said, Tkachuk was on pace for less than 10 points less than Marner finished the season with. On top of that... he is better at everything else in the game.

And he is younger.