Speculation: Matt Moulson : 6mil on the open market??

[lacunacoil777]

The isles holding JT 's rights can offer him a maximum of 8 yrs.
Every other team can offer a maximum of 7 yrs.

Tavares is close buddies with Subban in Montreal and Gagner in Edmonton. Are you seriously expecting a player as professional as Tavares, to choose a team because his bff plays for that team?

Yeah why not? Andy Pettite and roger Clemens did it those two were the best of friends they couldn't get enough of each other. THe stall brothers do it. How do you know taveres wont miss his great friend MOulson? He may not have as much fun not seeing him every day, and if Moulson is on a team that spends money and Taveres knows the Isles pinch pennys to stay at the cap floor it is certainly a possibility.

 

[kasper11]

I don't think Moulson gets $6M, but he won't be that far off, probably around $5-5.5M.

He isn't a star, and he is one-dimensional. I would say he would get around what Horton/Clarkson got last year. Moulson is a little better goal scorer than those two (I would say significantly better than Clarkson, but obviously the Leafs disagree), but not as physical.

 

[redbull]

I'd pay him $6 million...over 6 years. I'm not a fan of Moulson's play. Let him go and make room for Strome or Lee.

Moulson should leave. It's best for his earning potential - period. He's worth far more on the open market than he is to the Islanders and it's just that simple.

He'll get a lot of money and term and even if it's his last contract in the NHL, that payoff is something too valuable to let go. Makes no sense for a home-town discount whatsoever. Just like Parenteau.

If Moulson goes to a team where too much is expected of him, for the MONEY, then he'll struggle, like Jason Blake, or Bobby Holik, because Moulson's NOT an offensive leader, he's a complementary player, sniper, specialist.

Not only is Moulson replaceable on the Isanders, there's a strong chance he'll lose that #1 LW job anyway - Nelson, Strome, Bailey, Okposo, Bouchard, Clutterbuck, McDonald are all players that have seen time with Tavares in pre-season.

Same deal for MacDonald.

It's simple supply/demand and where the money is.

For every bridge-contract and owners exercising whatever leverage they have early in a player's career, these are moments of pure gold for players and agents and they'd be stupid to miss out on a UFA market that makes zillionaires out of mediocres - year after year, regardless of CBA parameters.

A budget team like the Islanders just needs to ensure the core is locked up and that a stream of young replacements continues to flow in.

 

[lacunacoil777]

Moulson should leave. It's best for his earning potential - period. He's worth far more on the open market than he is to the Islanders and it's just that simple.

He'll get a lot of money and term and even if it's his last contract in the NHL, that payoff is something too valuable to let go. Makes no sense for a home-town discount whatsoever. Just like Parenteau.

If Moulson goes to a team where too much is expected of him, for the MONEY, then he'll struggle, like Jason Blake, or Bobby Holik, because Moulson's NOT an offensive leader, he's a complementary player, sniper, specialist.

Not only is Moulson replaceable on the Isanders, there's a strong chance he'll lose that #1 LW job anyway - Nelson, Strome, Bailey, Okposo, Bouchard, Clutterbuck, McDonald are all players that have seen time with Tavares in pre-season.

Same deal for MacDonald.

It's simple supply/demand and where the money is.

For every bridge-contract and owners exercising whatever leverage they have early in a player's career, these are moments of pure gold for players and agents and they'd be stupid to miss out on a UFA market that makes zillionaires out of mediocres - year after year, regardless of CBA parameters.

A budget team like the Islanders just needs to ensure the core is locked up and that a stream of young replacements continues to flow in.

Very true, we already won our stanly cup with that 8th place finish, no point in paying to keep our main players...just have Johnny boy and a bunch of players making under 3 million a year. The fans will keep paying for tickets if we give them that!

 

[CaptDenisPotvin]

I'm hoping that IF Snow is going to re-sign him, he's already spoken to Moulson about it. If they are far away in term and money he should be traded at the deadline whether we are in a playoff race or not. We are ballin on a budget, sometimes you gotta do those things to gain assets for someone that is going to walk out the door for nothing in a few months.

Now if we are going to re-sign him I would probably be in the 3.5-4Mill per for 4 years...MAX

 

[InformTheMasses]

Very true, we already won our stanly cup with that 8th place finish, no point in paying to keep our main players...just have Johnny boy and a bunch of players making under 3 million a year. The fans will keep paying for tickets if we give them that!

how long are going to go on with this act that your an islanders fan? your act is so transparent. you have been laying it on too thick lately. would doubt a single person that reads these boards believes your an islanders fan. I get it, I understand alternative comedy and satire. from time to time I even enjoy reading those fake satirical twittering and Facebook accounts.

 

[redbull]

Very true, we already won our stanly cup with that 8th place finish, no point in paying to keep our main players...just have Johnny boy and a bunch of players making under 3 million a year. The fans will keep paying for tickets if we give them that!

I'd pay to keep a main player. For sure.

I don't consider Moulson a main player. $6MM on Moulson is money poorly spent - period. In a non-cap/non-budget world where you have unlimited money, maybe you can get away with it, but still not a smart move.

I think the Leafs overpaid Clarkson, for example. But at least he's a good player who is reliable/valuable whether he scores a lot of goals or not. The Leafs are up against the cap, have no #1 C and unmovable contracts (Liles) - still haven't won a cup.

If you want to protect "johnny boy" you don't surround him with two players that don't forecheck, backcheck and win puck battles (like Boyes/Moulson). You play him with a couple of warriors who will do the dirty work. Johnny will get his goals and points because he's done that his whole life, regardless of linemates.

And if you're worried about 30 goals, someone else will score them.
Parenteau, in two seasons with JT, averaged 61pts over 82 games.
Boyes averaged 60pts over 82 games last year.

I'm not worried about JT.
Tavares is a big boy. He's personable. He'll make new friends in his life after Moulson.

Smart spending is way more valuable than more spending. Whether Snow's forced into it or not (we all think he's been forced to underspend by Wang), you cannot argue that he's one of the smartest spenders in the NHL. Value/dollar contracts like Frans, AMac, JohnnyHockey, Hamonic, even Strait/Hickey. Look at what Okposo/Grabner and recently signed Bailey are making compared to some players around the league.

Criticize everything if you like but I think Snow's been an outstanding GM when it comes to spending/contracts and knowing when to lock-up a player and when to walk away.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Moulson Im indifferent on but AMac must be retained. Minute munching PMDs who can play the shutdown role are invaluable and hes worked with Cappy since he was drafted and played his way from overager late pick, ECHL, AHL, then NHL top pairing dman for a playoff squad.

 

[CaptDenisPotvin]

Moulson Im indifferent on but AMac must be retained. Minute munching PMDs who can play the shutdown role are invaluable and hes worked with Cappy since he was drafted and played his way from overager late pick, ECHL, AHL, then NHL top pairing dman for a playoff squad.

I like AMac a lot but in my opinion he's not a shutdown type of defenseman. In a perfect world he would be a second pairing guy that can play 20+ minutes, block shots and be defensively responsible. He will never be flashy, again I like his game but I don't deem him a shutdown defenseman.

 

[InformTheMasses]

I like AMac a lot but in my opinion he's not a shutdown type of defenseman. In a perfect world he would be a second pairing guy that can play 20+ minutes, block shots and be defensively responsible. He will never be flashy, again I like his game but I don't deem him a shutdown defenseman.

You're correct. AMAC is not a shutdown defender. A good but extremely limited 2nd pairing defenceman at best, with many weakness, including his complete inabaility to play a physical game as he is overpowered by anyone and everyone no matter their size.

The Islanders have plenty of guys who play the same style, have more tools and more ability. If Hickey continues to develop and his game grows this year on Long Island and Calvin de Haan plays like he is capable in Bridgeport and stays healthy all year. Macdonald won't need to be retained. There would be cheaper, better, younger options available.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

Its funny how the grass is ALWAYS greener. Moulson is our first consistent goal scorer since Palffy and we as fans are saying goodbye because he has chemistry with JT. Moulson should and will get paid, I hope we keep him.. Wang will make plenty of money moving into a basketball arena, I want him to spend it on the team.

Isn't having chemistry with your franchise center a positive. Its funny/sad/pathatic reading post after post penciling prospect X,Y,and Z into Moulsons spot assuming they will automatically be better, How did penciling in Nino work?

 

[Dutch Frost]

If he nets another 30+ goals I would give it to him easily. We need to get over the fact that JT will get paid less cause in 5 yrs when he hits FA he will be getting Crosby money thrown at him.

Last thing we need is to trade him for another draft pick and 3rd liner

 

[periferal]

If I read 'room under the cap' one more time I'm going to have an aneurysm.

That's fantasy land. What world are people living in where they can look at the cap (maximum) and come remotely close to approximate the islanders budget based off that. Those folks are living in a dream world. If you want to realistically estimate islander budgets look towards the floor and they will be right near it.

Beyond cap space (which is a non factor with the islanders so just pretend that doesn't exist) there is a residual effect on the pay scale of all other NY islanders. The islanders and snow have been very tight holding most players at or around 3 mm per. The more players that break that threshold the more all other players in the organisation will ask for. So it has a compounding effect. This seems to be lost on most fans. That money adds up quick.

You don't break the bank for a 30 year old goal scorer given his other deficiencies, his age, the islanders current budget, the islanders current thresholds, and the islanders current roster (age) etc. End of story.

'Room under the cap.'



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[A Pointed Stick]

Very true, we already won our stanly cup with that 8th place finish, no point in paying to keep our main players...just have Johnny boy and a bunch of players making under 3 million a year. The fans will keep paying for tickets if we give them that!

How about we go get a player who really is worth $6 million a year to play alongside of Tavares? Or how about trading Moulson to a team that is deluded by his Tavares-inflated stats, is willing to ignore his lack of pretty much any other skills than scoring goals from 20 feet in, and solve a problem that needs solving?

 

[A Pointed Stick]

If he nets another 30+ goals I would give it to him easily. We need to get over the fact that JT will get paid less cause in 5 yrs when he hits FA he will be getting Crosby money thrown at him.

Last thing we need is to trade him for another draft pick and 3rd liner

Because the fact he causes as many goals against as how many he scores is irrelevant to the conversation?

 

[PK Cronin]

Its funny how the grass is ALWAYS greener. Moulson is our first consistent goal scorer since Palffy and we as fans are saying goodbye because he has chemistry with JT. Moulson should and will get paid, I hope we keep him.. Wang will make plenty of money moving into a basketball arena, I want him to spend it on the team.

Isn't having chemistry with your franchise center a positive. Its funny/sad/pathatic reading post after post penciling prospect X,Y,and Z into Moulsons spot assuming they will automatically be better, How did penciling in Nino work?

You're right that it's not that easy to replace a 30 goal scorer with someone in the farm. But I think many people would rather see the organization get a different player for that kind of money, regardless of whether or not they have chemistry with JT it would be a positive as long as the player was a proven one.

I hope they keep him until he declines, but I also hope that it isn't a long contract. The length of the contract could affect the teams ability to move him or sign another UFA down the line.

If he nets another 30+ goals I would give it to him easily. We need to get over the fact that JT will get paid less cause in 5 yrs when he hits FA he will be getting Crosby money thrown at him.

Last thing we need is to trade him for another draft pick and 3rd liner

If the team was going to trade him, I'd want the return to be instant and something of value. I'd give him up for a top defenseman or a goalie, easily.

 

[luki here]

He's a consistent 30 goal scorer. With the contracts players are given these days, a contract of $6MM for a scorer of his caliber is not absurd. I would assume though, he might give the Isles a hometown discount though.

Perhaps we could add a little and pick up vanek for 8 million. Much better player than moulson.

 

[ichabod13]

Now if we are going to re-sign him I would probably be in the 3.5-4Mill per for 4 years...MAX

hes going to make 3.9 million this year and as he approaches free agency youre going to "offer" him a 400 thousand dollars a year pay cut? guess who would be skating off the island faster than parenteau did....

 

[simbo042]

I have a love/hate relationship with Moulson that might swing towards love if the other top line winger was better. There's no denying he has value as a scorer but that line needs more balance before I would want to sign a UFA type deal for his services. However, the other part of me would be sad to see his mop-top in another jersey...

Like a few people have mentioned already, it isn't the money for me, but the term. If he goes UFA he'll get both, I expect Snow will be unwilling to pay "market price" for Moulson's stats over too many years, he seems to avoid paying for past performance. My head says Amac in, Moulson out (maybe he'll go back to LA?).

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

How about we go get a player who really is worth $6 million a year to play alongside of Tavares? Or how about trading Moulson to a team that is deluded by his Tavares-inflated stats, is willing to ignore his lack of pretty much any other skills than scoring goals from 20 feet in, and solve a problem that needs solving?

When is the last time the Isles signed a UFA for big money, that would be never. Streit was the closest thing to that. It is false hope to believe Snow/Wang will spend money and will be able to bring in a UFA to magically score 30 goals on JTs wing.

Since when is scoring goals considered a negative. Besides JT and Moulson we only have 1 other player to have 2 seasons of 20 goals or more (Grabner). So lets trade Moulson for picks and prospects and leave a bigger hole on the first line than we already have.

 

[rikker]

When is the last time the Isles signed a UFA for big money, that would be never. Streit was the closest thing to that. It is false hope to believe Snow/Wang will spend money and will be able to bring in a UFA to magically score 30 goals on JTs wing.

Since when is scoring goals considered a negative. Besides JT and Moulson we only have 1 other player to have 2 seasons of 20 goals or more (Grabner). So lets trade Moulson for picks and prospects and leave a bigger hole on the first line than we already have.

when was the last time you ever heard a UFA say that he wanted to come to the Isles? THAT is false hope. maybe soon, as the team improves, but the last 10 years, it just wasn't happening. blame Snow, but you might as well blame O'Bama too. blame it on global warming too.

and who said that we have to trade Moulson for picks? if he is as good as you contend, let's trade him for goaltender that makes $6 mil a year. no problem, right?

 

[redbull]

When is the last time the Isles signed a UFA for big money, that would be never. Streit was the closest thing to that. It is false hope to believe Snow/Wang will spend money and will be able to bring in a UFA to magically score 30 goals on JTs wing.

Since when is scoring goals considered a negative. Besides JT and Moulson we only have 1 other player to have 2 seasons of 20 goals or more (Grabner). So lets trade Moulson for picks and prospects and leave a bigger hole on the first line than we already have.

when was the last time a big money UFA was "worth it", since the CAP was introduced? Maybe Hossa in Chicago, who's motivation was purely a Cup (why he signed with DET and why he went to PIT as well.

They don't have to trade Moulson for picks/prospects. It depends on the need at the time.

If Isles are not in the playoff race then maybe trading him for a near-ready prospect is a good move. If Strome does well in BP, maybe the Isles are better off with Bailey - Tavares - Strome than Moulson - Tavares - Bailey, for example.

Just because Moulson scores 30 goals, that doesn't necessarily translate to a core player who should be the highest paid on the team. He was horrible last year for MOST of the season.

The first line had two holes last year. The holes are when you have players who don't compete.

We'll see how things go this year. If Moulson keeps that first line job, and does well, and the Isles do well, it will be interesting come trade deadline. But I think Cappy's trigger finger will be a little more volatile this season. he already took Moulson off JT's line in the playoffs and has been experimenting with lines all pre-season, which is very out of character for him.

I have a love/hate relationship with Moulson that might swing towards love if the other top line winger was better. There's no denying he has value as a scorer but that line needs more balance before I would want to sign a UFA type deal for his services. However, the other part of me would be sad to see his mop-top in another jersey...

Like a few people have mentioned already, it isn't the money for me, but the term. If he goes UFA he'll get both, I expect Snow will be unwilling to pay "market price" for Moulson's stats over too many years, he seems to avoid paying for past performance. My head says Amac in, Moulson out (maybe he'll go back to LA?).

I feel the exact same way (as the bold).

 

[13th Floor]

Pominville just signed an extension in Minnesota for 5 years at 5.6AAV.

For comparison, his stats over the past seven years:
34G-34A-68P
27G-53A-70P
20G-46A-66P
24G-38A-62P
22G-30A-52P
30G-43A-73P
13G-20A-34P (shortened season)

Average over the last 6 seasons (removing the shortened season):
26G-41A-65P

Pomnville is 30, Moulson is 29. Pominville has also only missed 10 total games in the past 7 seasons.

I'm not saying they are the same type of player, but I see the market treating them similarly and see Moulson falling right in this salary range.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

So there has not been a single UFA in 9 years that was signed to a contract that was worth it...


What ESTABLISHED NHL player will Snow be able to bring in that can score 30 goals for less than 5.5 million. It can not be done. People here will miss Moulsons "easy" 30 goals when we see some prospect fumbling passes or some Boyes type missing open nets in Moulsons spot. If Moulson gets traded it means we will be out of the playoff hunt. He would be traded to a playoff team that would want to keep NHL players and would only be willing to deal picks/prospects.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Just because Moulson scores 30 goals, that doesn't necessarily translate to a core player who should be the highest paid on the team. He was horrible last year for MOST of the season.

It's not like he only scores. He can rack up assists too. If last season wasn't shortened he could've had a 70-80 point season. Call it what you want, but the chemistry is there and you want to have someone like Moulson on a team who has great chemistry with your franchise player.

And to be fair, the reason why Moulson's weaknesses were so obvious last year was because he was also on Boyes' line and they both play a similar game. Bailey or Strome would fit in perfectly with JT and Moulson, and Moulson could keep on doing what he does.

I know he's a flawed player. But the guy gets points. No one said he was a flashy player, he even knows that's not his game. But someone like him who stays healthy, gets goals, assists, and has chemistry with your franchise player is integral for a team.