The Kingslayer
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Im real Avs fan and the answer to your question is no Matt is far from the reason.
Value of: Matt Duchene
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TheBradyBunch
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Uh, are you serious? Have you seen how the media and ex-NHLers have reacted to every other story out of Ottawa??
You have your opinion and you don't want to change it, regardless of the facts and the opinions of people with experience and expertise in the matter. Let's call a spade a spade here. You thought you smelled blood and that was fun for you - now that it appears to be otherwise, you're aimlessly thrashing your jaw around... maybe it will look like you actually got someone?
Just like the Sens have been better without Karlsson but the Sharks have been worse!
And just like the Sens have been better without Phaneuf but the Kings have been worse!
And just like the Sens have been better without Hoffman but the Panthers have been worse!
I wonder which one of these trades we can use to tightly wrap all the fortunes of multiple organizations up into a nice, straight-forward, tidy little bow.
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Worth every penny I paid for it.
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
The Sharks are significantly better with Karlsson than they were without him.
TheBradyBunch
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They're a better team, for sure, but they are winning less (on average). Anyways, I was not trying to actually say that Karlsson is not a hugely positive addition for the Sharks... I am merely pointing out that correlation does not equal causation.
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Come on dude, it’s 15 games in and they are on pace for 104 points, which would be the most they’ve had since 2013-2014.
TheBradyBunch
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I wasn't actually making that argument. I calculated wins and that wasn't a perfect system because, again... I was not actually arguing that the Sharks are worse. Hell, the fact that I arbitrarily chose wins instead of points only serves to further illustrate what I am trying to get across. Cherry-picking data and allowing correlation to equal causation will allow you to suit any argument for yourself, and the argument that Duchene is at the heart of our struggles is, in fact, a ridiculously weak one - one that pretty well every Sens fan, even those who criticize every aspect of the club, would disagree with pretty vehemently.
Do you think Hoffman is the reason the Panthers are struggling? Is Brassard the reason the Pens didn't win the Cup? Or maybe Ian Cole? I suspect you don't believe any of those things. Nor should you. They have threadlike tethers to reality and little else beyond that.
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TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
I thought you actually meant all of that stuff. There are plenty of people on here who do and so it’s difficult to differentiate.
TheBradyBunch
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No, no. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was being deliberately loony tunes there.
Poe's law, I suppoes.
Duchene also invited half his teammates from the Avs/ex-Avs after he was traded, here's the list of players that were invited:
Tyson Barrie, Joe Colbourne, Nate Guenin, Nick Holden, Erik Johnson, Gabe Landeskog, John-Michael Liles, Ryan O'Reilly, Kyle Quincey, Fedor Tyutin, Calvin Pickard
Tyson Barrie, Joe Colbourne, Nate Guenin, Nick Holden, Erik Johnson, Gabe Landeskog, John-Michael Liles, Ryan O'Reilly, Kyle Quincey, Fedor Tyutin, Calvin Pickard
Do you have any proof other than your opinion? I know people here like to position their opinions as facts but...
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
People also sure make way too much of a big deal over small sample sizes as well.
Francis Perron is the leading scorer on the 2nd best team in the AHL with 11 points in 11 games, but I am certainly not deluding myself into thinking that he will actually amount to something valuable in the long term. I'm also sure as hell not going to say that he is, say, better than Rudolfs Balcers because he has produced better than Balcers in this small sample size.
As you grows to understand the game of hockey, and watches more seasons from start to finish, you realize that random things like Erik Karlsson being under 0.5PPG with the worst +/- on his team through 15 games, and Chris Tierney being sub PPG, just randomly happen sometimes. You also grow to realize that as frustrating (or exciting) these things may be, they tend to balance themselves out over time.
Francis Perron is, most likely, a nothing player. He is probably a career AHLer and not even the elite AHLer that his statistics in this small sample size say that he is. On a similar note, Chris Tierney is probably a 3rd line center whose poor defensive play at ES may make him less than optimal in that position on a Cup contending team, Dylan DeMelo is probably a bit better than he was in San Jose and is maybe a decent #6D, and Erik Karlsson is probably going to be one of the best players in the NHL by the time the playoffs start. 10-15 games shouldn't change any of that in the eyes of an experienced hockey fan who knows these players pretty well.
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I’d have a lot of time for Duchene on the Sharks, but I doubt Dorion is looking to trade another top player to us.
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I hope there is. Anything that removes Duchene and solidifies Stone's clutch on the captaincy is ideal.
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Oh lol. What a run they're on.
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